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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by gnarlouse »

ykl wrote: post #33
gnarlouse wrote: post #7

One of my claude code projects was going to be "theghostofsteve", a social media platform where people post things they love and hate about appleOS things. Likes/Dislikes would be "genius/it's shit". And in all likelihood, the platform would surface that most users think "it's shit." The platform would aggregate by major/minor version, and you could see in totality whether the current version of macOS/iOS would make…

Wouldn’t “insanely great”/“it’s shit” be more Steve than “genius”/“it’s shit”?

Sure, you could use whatever binarism you want

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by coldtea »

lstodd wrote: post #373
coldtea wrote: post #370

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I've used 1980s hardware. In the 80s. And used UNIX and HP/Sun/SGI/etc hardware since the 90s. Not only it was no "truly responsive", nothing opened in a "single frame" (talking about X Windows). Took way longer then 1-2 seconds to open a browser on a blank page for example, and for many programs you saw them slowly drawing.

And I did. And it did. Like, Amiga, even 500 models. I do not doubt X was horrible from that pov. I remember R5. This is not that I meant. edit: there were no web browsers back then. the effin "folder browser" opens slower on my xfce4 than the same in an a1200 emulator in a window next to it. this is sad.

Probably rose tinted memories. Here are actual Amiga 500 speeds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl6092fMkZY

Not only it takes a second just to redraw a moved window (with mid-way frames and flashing in between), opening a tiny program is slow and shows the "zzz" busy indicator.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

tgv wrote: post #281
bigyabai wrote: post #256

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> Do you have a system in mind that prevents the user from doing this? Sure, macOS could adopt an iPad-style security system that refuses to run all software outside the App Store. It works on iPhone and iPad just fine, all the prosumers love it. It's not like native darwin triples are a popular compilation target. There wouldn't be any vast tragedy if the macOS shellutil authors were told to use zsh in a VM instead,…

macOS does precisely that out of the box, doesn't it? You have to change some settings to run other software. I've got it set to: allow notarized, warn for internet downloads (even if notarized), everything else after explicit permission.

The NodeJS ARM executable can be signed by Apple; but that has no bearing on the JS code in NPM packages you’d be running.

Native code-signing only protects native entrypoints.

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Post by bzbz »

andai wrote: post #364
kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #356

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One wonders what Jobs would think of Liquid Glass.

"We call that new user interface Aqua, because it's liquid. One of the design goals was that when you saw it, you wanted to lick it!" 06:45 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII&t=6m45s

one forgotten difference is, the underlying hardware would have been built (by woz or others) to a high degree of quality

in general, the bar has fallen. it is not limited to design.

when you find these kinds of bad decisions permeate, you can usually point to the incentive-setters: leadership and shareholders.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by PennRobotics »

contextfree wrote: post #244
ablob wrote: post #46

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> If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! This argument would also make Windows 11 a pretty decent OS by extension via "If the biggest flaw of a OS is the position of the start menu you've got yourself a pretty decent OS". In general I could use any minor nuisance as a proof of decency - or inject some to form this argument on purpose as a manufacturer.…

On the specific issue of window corner roundedness, Windows 11 is great IMO. The corners are rounded when the window is floating free, but change to square when it's maximized or snapped to a side of the screen. The perfect design.

The perfect design is no rounded corners. anywhere. ever.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by PennRobotics »

hskalin wrote: post #346
bengale wrote: post #323

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I think for a lot of us mac users we never get contact with another OS so it can seem like the world is ending. Reality is the Tahoe is terrible compared to older versions, but still incredible compared to others. IMHO as ever.

As a lifelong windows (upto 10) and linux user, no I did not find MacOS (using as the primary os since 7 months) incredible in any sense of word in comparison. Only thing I like is the mac hardware

I thought having a MacBook Pro after a few decades of Windows/Linux use would be utopic, but Apple hides a ton of keyboard/mouse shortcuts, so the majority of software is slow to learn and use. Simple stuff like split screen, file handling (particularly compressed files, mounts, and network), or USB device permissions leave a lot to be desired.

It gets worse when you need to add Parallels because a particular lab machine only has Windows support. Being Vim-dependent, I got unlucky receiving the butterfly keyboard model with no physical escape key.

excellent hardware specs, superb battery life, very opinionated aesthetic (I hate it.), not nearly as intuitive as one would assume

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by contextfree »

PennRobotics wrote: post #386
contextfree wrote: post #244

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On the specific issue of window corner roundedness, Windows 11 is great IMO. The corners are rounded when the window is floating free, but change to square when it's maximized or snapped to a side of the screen. The perfect design.

The perfect design is no rounded corners. anywhere. ever.

How do you tell a snapped window from a free-floating window in that case?

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by hbn »

empressplay wrote: post #132
hbn wrote: post #117

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You can double click the grab handle area of a window (which is less obvious than ever in Tahoe) and it'll fill the window to the display. Except Safari, which just fills out the window's height vertically. Kinda weird to make an exception like that but I don't hate it, because I generally use Safari for reading, and shrinking the browser's width forces lines of text to not get too long if the website's styling isn't…

You can double click on any part of the top title bar (that doesn't have buttons in it) for example in Calendar you can double click beside the magnifying glass in the top right and it will maximize the window.

That's... exactly the feature I explained in the comment you replied to

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by hbn »

rafram wrote: post #326
kibwen wrote: post #163

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In other words, MacOS is fine as long as you're undiscerning and not at all detail-oriented. Imagine telling Steve Jobs that this was the prevailing attitude needed to make using a Mac bearable.

These inconsistent corner radii are actually intentional, FWIW - the radius depends on the window’s function (main, utility, etc.). I don’t think it looks great, but there’s no lack of attention to detail.

I'm not sure where you got that idea. The inconsistency is from a few years ago when they pushed for rounding the windows more than they have been for years, and then a further rounding in Tahoe, but not all developers following suit. All of Apple's own apps use the latest iPad/Fisher Price-esque border radius, but most third party apps are not.

I can compare Safari to System Settings and they have the same new rounding. It's nothing to do with utility vs "main" (whatever that is)

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