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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by coldtea »

realo wrote: post #337
root_axis wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Computers have been running thousands of times slower than they should be for decades I've been hearing this complaint for decades and I'll never understand it. The suggestion seems completely at odds with my own experience. Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. I remember a time when I could visually see the screen repaint after minimizing a window, or waiting…

Ok. Today we have multi-Ghz processors, with multiple cores at that. Photons travel about 1 foot per nanosecond ... so the CPU can executes MANY instructions between the time photons leave your screen, and the time they reach your eyes. Now, on Windows start Word (on a Mac start Writer) ... come on ... I'll wait. Still with me? Don't blame the SSD and reload it again from the cache. Weep.

Not sure where you're getting at. MS Word, full load to ready state after macOS reboot takes ~ 2 seconds on my M1 mac. If I close and re-open it (so it's on fs cache) is takes about ~1 second.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by bubblesorting »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

Kernel_task is often the os thermal throttling, when was the last time you hit the vents with a can of compressed air?

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by zarzavat »

halapro wrote: post #258
zarzavat wrote: post #237

People obsess about SIP but just remember that SIP does nothing to prevent the most common type of malware (ransomware). If you use SIP and use package managers (npm, cargo, pip, etc) outside of a VM you are substantially more vulnerable to attack than someone who doesn't use SIP and doesn't use package managers. So if you want to fix your corners, you can do it guilt-free by adopting some better security practices a…

SIP protects the OS, not you nor your files. If you run third party software that can run `rm` of course you're vulnerable to data loss. Apples and oranges. SIP guarantees that you will be able to turn on your computer in safe mode and remove the malware, whereas without it your OS is toast.

Yes but it's the files that are the important part.

If I had malware then the fate of the hardware is at the bottom of my priority list, I'm probably going to be replacing it anyway. I'd be more concerned that someone is going to steal my AWS credentials to run a cryptominer and I get a bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars!

The only solution to malware is to not install it in the first place. By the time SIP is useful you are already very screwed. SIP makes you safer in the same way that having a parachute on a plane makes you safer, technically yes but the difference in safety is marginal.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by dcrazy »

rzzzt wrote: post #146
lapcat wrote: post #56

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The footnote 2 link doesn't actually work for me, for whatever reason. What does it say?

"Arguable, since you just loose security over /root, which is not a big deal if someone already gained access to your machine, at least for me." It doesn't render for me either, but is in the HTML at path... .../html/body/div/div/main/div[3]/div[6]/div/div[2]/div/p Edit: SIP has a series of control bits for a diverse set of protections. You can see what these control (and which bits "csrutil disable" toggles) in this…

The link or the footnote itself doesn’t render for you? It renders on mobile Safari, just by scrolling to the bottom of the page.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by hskalin »

bengale wrote: post #323
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #87

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I was thinking the same thing. I actually agree with most of the complaints people have made about the corners, but it seems so small compared with literally every interaction I have with Windows. As someone who works on Windows, Mac, and Linux; Windows stands alone in my opinion as the "stepping on legos with no socks on" of operating systems.

I think for a lot of us mac users we never get contact with another OS so it can seem like the world is ending. Reality is the Tahoe is terrible compared to older versions, but still incredible compared to others. IMHO as ever.

As a lifelong windows (upto 10) and linux user, no I did not find MacOS (using as the primary os since 7 months) incredible in any sense of word in comparison. Only thing I like is the mac hardware

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by ezst »

al_borland wrote: post #184
ezst wrote: post #177

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I don't understand how we keep hearing so often here about Apple OSes being so amazingly simple, approachable and cleverly designed with a lot of attention paid to detail, while every practical productivity advice involves some undiscoverable trick, or combinations of tricks, that seems so arbitrary and obtuse. I don't like Mac, in large parts because of that. No amount of marketing and peer pressure will convince me…

Every system has its issues. It's really a question of which issues you can live with and which system ultimately fits your workflow best. After I got used to working in windows instead of full screen all the time, I can't really go back. Even on Windows I find myself working the way I do on macOS. Full screening every app made more sense on a 1024x768 screen (or smaller). Once I moved to a widescreen display (which…

> After I got used to working in windows instead of full screen all the time, I can't really go back.

Sorry if this comes across as disrespectful, but it smells like Stockholm Syndrome. You are choosing not to use the full extent of your screen estate, and that is your fine choice, but that is no excuse for making it hard. If you compound the whitespace, the thick borders and the generally oversized UI controls, not much of "productive space" remains available to get the work done. I am not interested in macOS as a content-consumption-first vehicle, though that's clearly where Apple is steering.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by mig39 »

realo wrote: post #337
root_axis wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Computers have been running thousands of times slower than they should be for decades I've been hearing this complaint for decades and I'll never understand it. The suggestion seems completely at odds with my own experience. Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. I remember a time when I could visually see the screen repaint after minimizing a window, or waiting…

Ok. Today we have multi-Ghz processors, with multiple cores at that. Photons travel about 1 foot per nanosecond ... so the CPU can executes MANY instructions between the time photons leave your screen, and the time they reach your eyes. Now, on Windows start Word (on a Mac start Writer) ... come on ... I'll wait. Still with me? Don't blame the SSD and reload it again from the cache. Weep.

Base model M4 Mac Mini -- takes 2 seconds to load Word (and ready to type) without it being cached. Less than 1 second if I quit it completely, and launch again, which I assume is because it's cached in RAM.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by barbazoo »

_jab wrote: post #9

Between the rounded corners that don't reach the edges of the viewport, and the behavior when opening a new app for the first time, it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle. Does anyone actually do this? Especially for heavy-duty applications like my web browser and IDE, this has always…

This has always been quintessential Mac for me. First thing I noticed people do on macs much more than PCs was not expanding the windows. Windows are always just floating around. There's no equivalent to the maximize button, it's funny but I don't even know anymore what that "maximize" button on macs does but I remember it's not what I would expect.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by leptons »

dbatten wrote: post #23
_jab wrote: post #9

Between the rounded corners that don't reach the edges of the viewport, and the behavior when opening a new app for the first time, it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle. Does anyone actually do this? Especially for heavy-duty applications like my web browser and IDE, this has always…

> it feels like Mac's UI is optimized around the assumption most users won't expand windows to fill the whole screen, but rather leave them half-sized somewhere in the middle IMO, this has been their assumption for years, and it actually turned me off when I tried getting used to Mac circa 2006-2007. Coming from Windows at the time, I just couldn't get over a weird anxiety that my application window wasn't maximized,…

Ultrawide without a virtual screen manager is a missed opportunity. Maximize window is still very useful with virtual screen areas on large screens.
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