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We go back to the demoscene days, being creative with what we have instead of shipping Electron junk.
Inshallah
If the FSM wills
Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%
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#382Silver lining: can you imagine how dirt cheap RAM will be after that bubble has popped? Oh my...
Your home systems can slot in HBM? Doubt that.
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#383Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…
> Same kit I bought 8 months ago for 90 EUR is now 400+. That's not normal market dynamics.
That's exactly normal market dynamics during acute shortage. Remember 2020 when filtering face masks went up in price 10-100x?
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But aren't those the same startups that think they need to run on AWS EKS instead of using a single cheap server? The cheapest used Hetzner server currently is €39.24 / month: - Intel Core i7-6700 - 32 GB - 2 x 480 GB Datacenter SSD - 1 GB/s - 20 TB traffic Their VPS are even cheaper. And you can run a lot on this.
If your only need is a lot of bandwidth with very low server CPU use that’s fine. That CPU is ancient, though. Over a decade old. That DRAM is 2-channel DDR3. This could be a good deal for someone, but entrusting your startup’s operations to a 10 year old slow computer in Germany instead of using EKS would be an extremely short sighted move. A startup should be developing software and shipping it quickly to validate…
I would guess that 99.9% of startups wouldn't notice the age of the CPU if they aren't in the business for CPU compute power.
Also, if you don't want to provision software systems, you probably shouldn't use Kubernetes at all. Both this and compute are niche businesses and neither would rent a budget server anyway.
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#385It seems we will run out of hardware by March? "Hard drives already sold out for this year" - https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/20/ai_blamed_again_as_ha... Time for an AI tax on the hyperscalers.
> Time for an AI tax on the hyperscalers.
Like the purchase price + increased cost? The thing is that these parties are sitting on billions and billions of investor money, they don't care that hardware is 400x as expensive. Which companies like nvidia have capitalized on a few years ago, they were already able to price their hardware at a 400% markup compared to pre-crypto times, and shift their focus from consumer graphics chips to datacenter compute chips, causing their revenue to go up 6x (if my interpretation of [0] is correct)
[0] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NVDA/nvidia/revenu...
Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%
#386Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…
> It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. DRAM is priced based on supply and demand, like every other market. When demand goes up, the price goes up for everyone. It’s not a “tax” on the rest of us in any sense. There’s just a lot of demand everywhere. > That's not normal market dynamics. This is actually a textbook example of markets functioning in…
AI demand is subsidized by the bubble. Those operators buying the RAM are not paying using money that exists. Market economics are not working here.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying this is just the market...is like saying housing is a free market after hedge funds buy your entire neighborhood...
But... They're not wrong. That IS the market. Unrestricted, gloriously free market with its historically predictable outcomes - yay! That's not where the interesting discussion is. The interesting discussion is with the notion that free unregulated markets are universally good and will naturally lead to positive outcomes because... I don't know, I'm personally not religious, but somebody here will help me :-).
Where are these unregulated markets? Are you trading with your neighbor? If so, good, the more of that the better.
Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%
#388Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…
> It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. DRAM is priced based on supply and demand, like every other market. When demand goes up, the price goes up for everyone. It’s not a “tax” on the rest of us in any sense. There’s just a lot of demand everywhere. > That's not normal market dynamics. This is actually a textbook example of markets functioning in…
"it happened therefore it's normal"
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's an easy experiment to conduct: look around the room at your home and count all the devices that have a CPU, RAM, SSD or HDD. Then take a look at your bank statement to see what are the services you pay for monthly that also require the same hardware. Now, imagine that these devices or services can no longer procure RAM, SSD or HDD. There's no more available supply for these components, because this is what's h…
> imagine that these devices or services can no longer procure RAM, SSD or HDD Why would I imagine something so far out from what will realistically happen? Again, a lot of doom and gloom over very unrealistic scenarios. Where are you even getting this from, YouTube channels? Of course if there is no RAM or flash-storage at all available, eventually hardware will be unfeasible. But when we've experienced these sort o…
Valve had to delay a bunch of new products already. They also had to effectively discontinue the non-OLED Steam Deck due to the increased prices.
https://www.theverge.com/games/874196/valve-steam-machine-fr...
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#390I really love that their notification email includes applicable price change for my specific servers. The worst counter example of this was Mercedes sending me an email saying "the terms and conditions have been updated, please read them at this link". It linked to the 52 page document I was supposed to read through in its entirety and manually diff against previous! Good thing they started adding a change log in the…
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