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Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by Rover222 »

don_esteban wrote: post #302
Rover222 wrote: post #221

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Equating Trump to the systems in China/Russia is absurd. You have no concept of what losing free speech really means if you think that's an accurate comparison. Not saying that what's happening with ICE is okay. But it's a very sheltered view to think that is at all equivalent to what happens in those countries if you actively protest against the govt.

I am not equating Trump to China/Russia. For Iranians, USA is strong foreign country that is hostile to them. For Americans, Russia/China are (relatively) strong foreign countries that (they think) are hostile to them. As Americans would NOT like if Russia/China was influencing their internal matters (Russia gate ?), so would Iranians NOT like if USA was deciding who is going to govern over them. First, they are a pr…

Thanks for clarifying.

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Post by padjo »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #346
ebbi wrote: post #336

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Your comment seems to suggest you support the idea of Iran regime going down? Yet in the same breath, you criticize Iran for saying that 'US and Israel should cease to exist'. Given Israel currently has nuclear weapons, Israel is currently committing genocide (helped and funded by the US), the atrocities that Israel have committed over the last 70 years (setting aside the fact that it is an apartheid state, and is an…

> Israel is currently committing genocide Israel does not commit genocide by any objective metric. > the fact that it is an apartheid state And it is not an apartheid state as can be evidenced by the fact that Arabs and other cnthincal minorities, e.g., Druze or Cherkessians, reach highest positions in politics, academic, and private enterprises. You can simply google things like "notable israeli arab judges" and get…

It's not genocide, it's a special murdering operation.

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Post by fortzi »

Atlas667 wrote: post #10

Many are protesting because of the sanctions, considered war crimes, imposed by the west onto them. The US and its allies have attacked the currency and the availability of goods for the common Iranian. This is how regime change works. This is what is happening in Cuba as well. You starve and disenfranchise the average person to make regime change by internal bad-actors more successful. Therefore many citizens protes…

While the sanctions may have triggered the current round of protests, what about the previous rounds? [1] Why are you ignoring those? Many Iranians hate their regime because it’s an oppressive theocratic one.

Just as an example of why Iranians would hate their regime, the mismanagement and corruption in the area of water management has led to severe water shortages in Tehran and other areas [2].

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/iran-a-timeline-of-mass-protests-since...

[2] https://e360.yale.edu/features/iran-water-drought-dams-qanat...

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Post by fortzi »

ebbi wrote: post #336
magic_hamster wrote: post #323

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Nice try, Khamenei. Good to know you managed to power on your router today and visit HN. Seriously though, Iran has repeatedly declared that the U.S. and Israel should cease to exist. It funds militant groups across the Middle East. It claims its nuclear program is for “peaceful purposes,” yet has produced highly enriched uranium at levels far beyond what is needed for civilian energy - levels that could only be used…

Your comment seems to suggest you support the idea of Iran regime going down? Yet in the same breath, you criticize Iran for saying that 'US and Israel should cease to exist'. Given Israel currently has nuclear weapons, Israel is currently committing genocide (helped and funded by the US), the atrocities that Israel have committed over the last 70 years (setting aside the fact that it is an apartheid state, and is an…

The definition of genocide has been fluid lately. Can you clarify what you mean, exactly?

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Post by reliabilityguy »

padjo wrote: post #383
reliabilityguy wrote: post #346

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> Israel is currently committing genocide Israel does not commit genocide by any objective metric. > the fact that it is an apartheid state And it is not an apartheid state as can be evidenced by the fact that Arabs and other cnthincal minorities, e.g., Druze or Cherkessians, reach highest positions in politics, academic, and private enterprises. You can simply google things like "notable israeli arab judges" and get…

It's not genocide, it's a special murdering operation.

No, it’s a war.

All the typical “proves” of a genocide based on arguments that make any other war genocide as well, which in turn completely devalues actual genocides that did happen, and desensitizes the public so that when an actual genocide will happen no one will react.

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Post by breppp »

pphysch wrote: post #278
fortzi wrote: post #188

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Iran is not an adversary of Israel, as much as the IRGC is.

Are Iranians supposed to believe that after Israel destroyed every hospital and university in Gaza? Insulting. The IRGC is under every brick and pebble.

Generally the IRGC has everything to do with the current state of Gaza, as it was involved in planning and training for the October 7th attack.

This was a masterstroke of Iranian strategy, while it initially looked they have yet again encouraged the Palestinians to commit national suicide on their behalf, in two years it looks like this is going to end with a national suicide of the Islamic Republic

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Post by fortzi »

bigyabai wrote: post #247
fortzi wrote: post #222

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Maybe you should ask a few Palestinians before making such statements. Polls made by respected Palestinian surveyors show immense support for Hamas by Palestinians [1]. If you dig inti the polls, you’ll find great support in continuing the armed conflict. I’ll add: to the last man standing. While I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing, Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and…

Even still, that data does not refute the parent's point that you are making a false equivalency. Polling Israeli or US citizens on the extremist groups they support would be similarly dishonest; organizations like ICE, Blackwater and Irgun cannot be fairly conflated with their respective populations regardless of how the majority feels.

In this context, “support” doesn’t mean “I like these guys”, it means concrete political support, as in “I’d vote for them”

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Post by e-khadem »

cardanome wrote: post #311
e-khadem wrote: post #289

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[citation needed]. Not really though, you're just spewing the regime's propaganda. You might as well directly quote Khamenei on this one. I'm really restraining myself by not swearing at this comment. Have you seen a dead body in your life? Have you seen a street stained with blood being washed with high pressure water? Have you seen parts of the brain of a fellow citizen on the sidewalk, the same guy who was standin…

The only mass protests in Iran I saw video evidence of have been the millions of Iranian people in the streets in the PRO-governments protests that were against the foreign intervention. The will of the Iranian people is clear: The don't want to become slaves of Western Imperialism. Do you really think we we Iranian government would be able to keep in power despite a brutal economic blockade, despite foreign agents c…

I have an opinion, because I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Because my friends and family members died.

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Post by don_esteban »

martin-t wrote: post #185
stickfigure wrote: post #94

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This seems to only have a good track record in places with a democratic tradition. Some dictators have figured out you can just imprison and kill the opposition, and keep doing this until there is no more opposition. The Khomeini government is not going to just say "oh, you're right" and change. Neither will the Kim or Putin governments. Sometimes - sadly - violence is the least worst answer.

Don't say sadly. Don't further the indoctrination that violence is bad. It is a tool, it cannot be good or bad. States are the most prolific users of violence (even more when you also count potential/threatened, not yet materialized). Anyone who wants to claim that violence is bad has to oppose the existence of states. Violence is risky, dangerous, unpredictable, costly, etc. But those are practical and legal, not mo…

Violence is a sometimes necessary tool.

The problem is that it is routinely misused (especially by those who have overwhelming power), and the cases where it is really needed are really, really, really rare.

Even in cases when it appears that the use of violence is justified, the long term consequences (e.g. on culture and mentality, and hence ultimately on normal daily life) are usually such that it would have been better to avoid it in the first place.

At the moment you regularly shoot/drone the dictators, the one deciding who is dictator warranting such violence is the most scary dictator of all.

This talk about good/bad people is such naive childish ploy, are we adults here or what?

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