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Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I cannot overstate the performance improvement of deploying onto bare metal. We typically see a doubling of performance, as well as extremely predictable baseline performance. This is down to several things: - Latency - having your own local network, rather than sharing some larger datacenter network fabric, gives around of order of magnitude reduced latency - Caches – right-sizing a deployment for the underlying har…

How do you deprogram your devs and ops people from the learned helplessness of cloud native ideology?

I've found that it's almost impossible to even hire people who aren't terrified of the idea of self-hosting. This is deeply bizarre for someone who installed Linux from floppy disks in 1994, but most modern devs have fully swallowed the idea that cloud handles things for them that mere mortals cannot handle.

This, in turn, is a big reason why companies use cloud in spite of the insane markup: it's hard to staff for anything else. Cloud has utterly dominated the developer and IT mindset.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

On a similar note, I'm looking for a "Hetzner, but in APAC, particularly East Asia". I've struggled to find good options for any of JP, TW or KR.

LayerStack is very fast in APAC:

    https://www.layerstack.com/en/dedicated-cloud

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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IIRC, Hetzners dedicated instances are only available in their German and Finnish data centers, not anywhere else sadly :/

latitude.sh do bare metal in the US well

Yes, but they are vastly more expensive than Hetzner (looks like pricing stats at just under $200/m for 6 cores).

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As mentioned multiple times in other comments and places people think that doing what Google or FB is doing should be what everyone else is doing. We are running modest operations on European VPS provider where I work and whenever we get a new hire (business or technical does not matter) it is like a Groundhog day - I have to explain — WE ALREADY ARE IN THE CLOUD, NO YOU WILL NOT START "MIGRATING TO CLOUD PROJECT" ON…

> doing what Google or FB is doing Google doesn't even deploy most of its own code to run on VMs. Containers yes but not VMs.

Yeah, the irony being Google runs VMs in Containers but not the other way around.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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With AWS you are paying for the ancillary things; pretty good network, reliable portal, reliable management APIs, nearly perfectly commoditized products (one VM like any other, though in practice I observe minor exceptions to this all the time predominantly with worse connectivity to other services or disk). But the performance bare metal is good (AWS offers bare metal too but at insane price point because they only buy enormous servers).

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Hetzner are great.

Cloud was a reaction to overlong procurement timeline in company managed DC. This is still a thing, it still takes half a year to get a server into a DC!!

However probably 99% of use cases dont need servers in your own DC, they work just fine on a rented server.

One thing though, a rented server can still have hardware failure, and it needs to be fixed, so deployment plans need to take that into account - fargate will do that for you.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I've been running my SaaS on Hetzner servers for over 10 years now. Dedicated hardware, clusters in DE and FI, managed through ansible. I use vpncloud to set up a private VPN between the servers (excellent software, btw). My hosting bill is a fraction of what people pay at AWS or other similar providers, and my servers are much faster. This lets me use a simpler architecture and fewer servers. When I need to scale, I…

You use vpncloud to connect across different Hetzner data centers (DE + FI)? I thought/assumed Hetzner provided services to do this at little-to-no cost.

No, I use vpncloud for a local (within a datacenter) VPN. This lets me move more configuration into ansible (out of the provider's web interfaces), avoid additional fees, and have the same setup usable for any hosting provider, including virtual clouds. Very flexible.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Complexity? I've never set up a highly available Postgres and Redis cluster on dedicated hardware, but I can not imagine it's easier than doing it in AWS which is only a few clicks and I don't have to worry about OS upgrades and patches. Or a highly available load balancer with infinite scale.

As a self hosting fan, i cant even fathom how hard it would be to even get started running a Postgres or redis cluster on AWS. Like, where do I go? Do i search for Postgres? If so where? Does the IP of my cluster change? If so how to make it static? Also can non-aws servers connect to it? No? Then how to open up the firewall and allow it? And what happens if it uses too much resources? Does it shutdown by itself? Wha…

> As a self hosting fan, i cant even fathom how hard it would be to even get started running a Postgres or redis cluster on AWS. Like, where do I go? Do i search for Postgres? If so where?

Anything you don't know how to do - or haven't even searched for - either sounds incredibly complex, or incredibly simple.

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