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Re: How to Firefox

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Post by bee_rider »

bashkiddie wrote: post #201
mattlutze wrote: post #89

I am surprised how many people have so many problems with Firefox. I've never felt impeded by loading speeds, and my ADHD regularly has me forgetting to restart it, to the tune of 100+ tabs open across multiple desktops. My wimply little MacBook Pro doesn't seem to mind. The only downside I've found is that, because so many people just default to "Chrome or nothing," there's occasionally sites that have bugs because,…

I am a heavy user of firefox and I am still unhappy with mozillas policy. * Firefox-Hello is a easy to pick example of a broken service run by a 3rd party being imposed on users. * Pocket is another service I never asked for. * Instead of focusing on the browser, mozilla puts their effort into an English language database. It appears to me mozilla does not understand their target audience. Recently I tried to customi…

Mozilla does a lot of projects that I don’t really understand, but I also don’t really see anything wrong with the browser.

The problem with the Internet is that people keep coming up with new standards and sites keep getting infected by JavaScript. Firefox itself has been fine for ages, it is just connecting us to something that gets shittier every day.

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by zamadatix »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #129
mattlutze wrote: post #89

I am surprised how many people have so many problems with Firefox. I've never felt impeded by loading speeds, and my ADHD regularly has me forgetting to restart it, to the tune of 100+ tabs open across multiple desktops. My wimply little MacBook Pro doesn't seem to mind. The only downside I've found is that, because so many people just default to "Chrome or nothing," there's occasionally sites that have bugs because,…

I'm about the same, I don't even know what the loading speeds issue is about, I still remember Firefox Quantum beating the daylights out of Chrome, and I don't know if Chrome ever fully caught up to Quantum? What's really funny is for ages Chrome would load the browser window even if the whole browser UI wasn't done loading, and sometime after Quantum, Firefox started doing the same trick to make you feel as though i…

Displaying the window early is more than a trick, it's a properly better user experience.

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by athrowaway3z »

crabmusket wrote: post #165
FigurativeVoid wrote: post #101

I had no idea how many ads load the average page. I just forgot because I have been using uBlock for so long. I have been hesitant to use Firefox, just because I am used to chrome. But after Google forcibly disabled software that I chose to run, I'm all in on Firefox.

Whenever I use my partner's iPhone, or even open links on Chrome on my phone (I usually use Firefox with adblock) I feel like I'm being slapped in the face by ads. The difference is shocking.

A decade ago I used to see & hear various ads throughout my day and could ignore them. Nowadays I see so few ads in a month that my brain short circuits whenever somebody shows me their phone with something like youtube and it shows ads.

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by godelski »

exiguus wrote: post #240
mattlutze wrote: post #89

I am surprised how many people have so many problems with Firefox. I've never felt impeded by loading speeds, and my ADHD regularly has me forgetting to restart it, to the tune of 100+ tabs open across multiple desktops. My wimply little MacBook Pro doesn't seem to mind. The only downside I've found is that, because so many people just default to "Chrome or nothing," there's occasionally sites that have bugs because,…

My take is that Firefox is not very effective at marketing. For example, Chrome publishes articles like 'Chrome achieves highest score ever on Speedometer' (2024) [1]. I haven't found similar articles or any reliable scores for Firefox. Some computer magazines suggest that Firefox is in second place after Chrome in running Speedometer 3. For me, at least, it's hard to find any specific numbers. Also, it's important t…

Interestingly I did much worse on my Linux FF (13.6) on Speedometer3.1[0] than my M2 Air (29.6), though for the WebGL benchmarks from above the Linux machine (which has significantly more compute power) has no problems with the WebGL tests and the Air does worse. Backbone and jQuery were real killers for the Linux machine. Looks to be mostly Adding100Items for Backbone and literally everything for jQuery was half a magnitude slower.

  > Also, i don't understand why people prefer google over open source. And the sometimes disrespectful and destructive criticism of Mozilla.
Certainly Mozilla deserves criticism. All companies do, right?

But what I don't get is the passionate hate and how the result often ends up being contradictory. Like complaining about FF with that Mr Robot thing (yeah, bad move) and then saying that's why they use Chrome (or some Chromium based browser). It feels like calling someone an idiot for falling face first into dog shit while you're sitting in a jacuzzi full of it. Yeah, both situations are shitty, but come on... there's a lot more shit in one of these...

[0] https://browserbench.org/Speedometer3.1

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by charcircuit »

godelski wrote: post #361
efreak wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The app itself is insanely slow to start up, and it always has been. Try killing Firefox and Chrome, open the browser via a link from another app and see how long it takes for the page to start rendering. I suggest a page with a different color background and nothing else. Chrome is always fast, while Firefox is almost always very slow (pinning the app to my recent list helps on Samsung devices, but isn't available e…

Is Chrome being cached? This is actually not a good test because there are a lot of tricky and subtle things that can make the comparison highly unfair. Smartphones will cache apps so that they don't fully close. Then, if you do actually force kill them they will start up in the background. Are we surprised a Google phone caches the Google browser which is considered to be a high priority app, commonly used, and even…

>This is actually not a good test

It is a realistic user scenario, which in my opinion makes it a good test. The real world performance is what matters here. The user doesn't care if technically there is some trick that is being used to "cheat."

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by moffkalast »

godelski wrote: post #380
moffkalast wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference my numbers are for an RTX 4070, Firefox has no excuse for not being able to crack 60 fps on a demo that looks like it's from the late 2000s in terms of graphics.

Isn't the fps capping? I'm pretty confident it is because it won't go above that on my system even when I do a trivial number of fish and my monitor maxes out at 60fps... > on a demo that looks like it's from the late 2000 Okay... now I think I shouldn't take you seriously... The literal visual aesthetics aren't really important for the test. You could place some nicer shaders and it wouldn't necessarily change the c…

I'm half kidding, it's entirely possible to overload any GPU with too many draw calls with the end result not looking like much. These fish would run reasonably well on something from that era though I'm sure, it's no GTA San Andreas.

But no it's not capped at 30, it jumps to like 33, 34 sometimes with those settings, it's capped to 60 like Chrome as well. Probably vsync.

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by bee_rider »

prophesi wrote: post #119

A tip I would add to this article is that Firefox natively supports sidebar tabs now without needing hacky extensions. Go to about:preferences under the Browser Layout section of the General tab, and select Vertical Tabs. The tab group functionality along with Multi-Account Containers are a lot more useful under this layout IMO.

When was that added? I’ve been using “Tree Style Tab” for… well, I guess it must be more than a year at this point.

Worth dropping the extension?

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by rypskar »

moffkalast wrote: post #332
phil294 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran some of these in comparison with Chrome, and Chrome was consistently faster, but only marginally (1-20%). I'm actually quite impressed, an integrated Intel HD 620 / 4x2.4 GHz (!) rendering 10,000 fishes at 30 FPS in a webbrowser.

For reference my numbers are for an RTX 4070, Firefox has no excuse for not being able to crack 60 fps on a demo that looks like it's from the late 2000s in terms of graphics.

Is your screen 60Hz? Game loops are normally using requestAnimationFrame [0], which is capped at refresh rate of your display

[0]https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/requ...

Re: How to Firefox

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Post by h43z »

If you want to navigate websites more with your keyboard I created a dead simple extension. All it injects is this tiny snippet into each site.

    addEventListener('keydown', event => {
      if(event.key !== 'Enter')
        return
    
      elementWithSelection = getSelection().anchorNode?.parentElement
    
      if(!elementWithSelection)
        return
    
      elementWithSelection.click()
      getSelection().empty()
    })
This allows you to use the native CTRL+f and / search basically like the ' search.

The ' search let's you "click" on links by pressing enter.

The snippet let's you do the same for the other searches too so you can navigate the modern web where often navigations and actions are behind buttons and sometimes even divs (not just links). Unfortunately you can't activate those without this little hack.

The extension will be available at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/click-on-sele... soon (after mozilla approves).

I use this trick in a slightly bigger extension too https://github.com/h43z/jkscroll/blob/main/content-script.js...

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