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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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When interviewers use LLM gargbage to filter out participants, expect candidates to do the same.

I don't use LLMs to filter out participants and I expect candidates not to use LLMs to cheat.

Some first/introductory interviews are now "powered" by AI. As in, the interviewee gets an AI bot that evaluates them. I'd not be surprised if this takes over and becomes standard.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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I think that phrase was coined in an era when the tech sector moved so fast that the prevailing law couldn't keep up. It caught up somewhat, but obviously there's still much leeway for improvement. Break all the wrong habits, rigid conventions and old traditions you want, just play along with the governing laws.

Its original intended meaning was sometimes breaking your social website, not laws.

As far as I understood the original meaning, it was about "not being too careful", and err on the side of breaking things, in the name of moving forward faster.

It ended up meaning something else, but back then this is how I understood it.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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I won't use it, but I do see it as somewhat symmetric. If the interviewers are using AI or expecting you to use AI for these tasks once you're on the job, then it doesn't seem completely immoral.

That's assuming all interviewers are using AI. And if it's not immoral, why do it surreptitiously?

Not just interviewers, but tasks at the company. How many companies are not allowing you to use copilot or similar once you're hired?

Morality and restrictions are two different things. Just because someone makes up a rule doesn't mean it's morally enforceable.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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This is the problem that AI solves, though: rather than steal our code directly, now the thieves will just ask their favorite AI to generate a new project that does exactly what our (A)GPLv3+ projects did, which it will be able to do only because it read our code. And, even if the result is eerily similar to what we publish -- we might, after all, be one of the few good examples in the training set for this problem -…

Ouch! I believe in OSS. But damn. I had not really considered this move. I had a stray thought and that is most SI content I have looked at has watermarks of a sort. Perhaps this could be used?

I dunno, even after considering that move, I'll continue to publish FOSS like before.

I always did it without any expectation of gains from it, and with the intention for people to use it for whatever they want. That calculation hasn't changed, even considering machines will slurp it up now.

I do agree that it sucks for people who do care about what the code is used for, and I hope these people migrate to other licenses that support their ideas about control and ownership.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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YC is the company that (to this day!) has Yotta - a borderline scam to take advantage of financially-illiterate people - on their website after the whole thing has completely blown up and most customers lost their savings: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/yotta Oh, and now they have their own rendition of the "Aviator" game often advertised by unregulated Eastern-European online casinos: https://members.withyott…

Did you not understand what YC was? They're essentially an investment bank that doesn't accept new clients. They make money, they're not a charity. Quality only matters insofar as it drives sales and doesn't create liabilities.

>They make money, they're not a charity.

I know it can be shocking to some people to learn this, but you can make money ethically.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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This is so stupid. One of the main reasons it's become a dystopian, hellish process is because people cheat; proliferating cheating will make it even worse. Lying and cheating on a job interview isn't a victimless crime. You're harming the company and all your coworkers when they hire you into a job you're not qualified for; you're harming all the other actually qualified candidates that didn't get hired instead; you…

> they hire you into a job you're not qualified for Interviewing has long been disconnected from the actual job. > who rely on you to give something you can't give them. That's what firing is for.

> That's what firing is for.

"I only harmed the company and my coworkers and myself for a year, before they had built up enough of a case to fire me."

That's a year they could have been paying someone competent, rather than working around your incompetence.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Do you never ever do anything that's wrong? If so, well, I guess good for you; but the rest of us sometimes screw up. There needs to be a path for redemption. Admit you were at fault, make it right, do better next time. ETA And , it doesn't matter whether people do the above steps because they "really mean it", or because they're just afraid of the consequences otherwise; any more than it matters, from a societal per…

you're conflating (obfuscating?) honest oversights with what seems to be a clearly and intentionally dishonest series of actions

No I'm not. I'm not saying there should never be any consequences. But there should be a way to make things right again, even if you did it on purpose.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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> they hire you into a job you're not qualified for Interviewing has long been disconnected from the actual job. > who rely on you to give something you can't give them. That's what firing is for.

> That's what firing is for. "I only harmed the company and my coworkers and myself for a year, before they had built up enough of a case to fire me." That's a year they could have been paying someone competent, rather than working around your incompetence.

I sympathize with your point, but if it takes you anywhere close to a year to figure out that someone faked their way into a position... that's bad.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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> Playing with daddy's money Personal attacks like this are not ok. Sure, criticize their actions, but don't parlay that into this kind of personal swipe at the individuals and their families; that's when the line is crossed from valid critique of actions to nasty mob pile-on, and that's never ok here. Not that it should matter but as far as I can tell, the Pickle founder/CEO grew up and studied in Korea, and we have…

Sometimes it's really surprising what comments you guys push back on and which ones you don't comment on. (Yes, I know, you can't see everything, etc.). I suspect it might be because this one wasn't dressed up enough. While it is a personal attack, it is pretty tame compared to (non-flagged) comments I see here every day. I especially don't see it as a swipe at their family. Yet this is a pretty strong rebuke. While…

There’s something about the point when anger at someone’s actions turns to trawling over someone’s backstory in order to attack/demean them as a person that crosses a line for me; I’ve always pushed back on it whenever I’ve seen it, on HN and elsewhere. People doing it and supporting it always think it’s “not that bad”; nobody likes to think of themselves as doing or supporting something bad.

Any time you see egregious comments on HN that aren’t flagged/dead, you should flag them and email us so we can take a look.

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