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Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by Aurornis »

wkat4242 wrote: post #267
miohtama wrote: post #201

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For comparison, Uber is still not profitable after 15 years or so. Give it some time.

I'm surprised. They pay the drivers a pittance. My ex drove Uber for a while and it wasn't really worth it. Also, for the customers it's usually more expensive and slower than a normal taxi at least here in Spain. The original idea of ride-sharing made sense but just like airbnb it became an industry and got enshittified.

> They pay the drivers a pittance. My ex drove Uber for a while and it wasn't really worth it.

I keep hearing this online, but every time I’ve used an Uber recently it’s driven by someone who says they’ve been doing it for a very long time. Seems clear to me that it is worth it for some, but not worth it if you have other better job options or don’t need the marginal income.

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Post by jjallen »

I guess I would argue that revenue, while not everything that matters, is super important. And I’m guessing that Google has nowhere near the revenue that OpenAI has. Even if they can bundle for “loyalty”, that is an uncertain future there. Magen it will work. Probably so. Still uncertain.

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

jonplackett wrote: post #305

I’m still really surprised everyone loves Gemini 2.5 so much. Even for coding I find GPT4o to be more concise and write more sensible things. I get the one-shot ‘build me a flight simulator’ type thing is special to Gemini 2.5 - but who actually ever uses it that way? I feel a bit old school for aging it, but I still prefer ChatGPT at this moment. Am I the only one?

If you’re not using something like Cline or Cursor you should give them a try.

I haven’t found any OpenAI models good for agentic coding. o3-mini and 4o were both worse than 3.5 Sonnet. 3.7 and Gemini 2.5 Pro both seem be better than 3.5. I still use 4o with search as my primary reference model though.

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Post by falcor84 »

coliveira wrote: post #264
falcor84 wrote: post #172

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The joke's on them, because I don't have any loyalty to an LLM provider. There's very close to zero switching costs, both on the consumer front and the API front; no real distinguishing features and no network effects; just whoever has the best model at this point in time.

You don't have loyalty, but one day there will be no one else to switch to. So, if you're a loyal user or not is a moot point.

History shows it's a self-defeating victory. If one provider were to "win" and stop innovating, they'll become ripe for disruption by the likes of Deepseek, and the second someone like that has a better model, I'll switch.

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Post by JLO64 »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #374
thunderbird120 wrote: post #10

This article doesn't mention TPUs anywhere. I don't think it's obvious for people outside of google's ecosystem just how extraordinarily good the JAX + TPU ecosystem is. Google several structural advantages over other major players, but the largest one is that they roll their own compute solution which is actually very mature and competitive. TPUs are extremely good at both training and inference[1] especially at sca…

I've used Jax quite a bit and it's so much better than tf/pytorch. Now for the life of me, I still haven't been able to understan what a TPU is. Is it Google's marketing term for a GPU? Or is it something different entirely?

TPUs (short for Tensor Processing Units) are Google’s custom AI accelerator hardware which are completely separate from GPUs. I remember that introduced them in 2015ish but I imagine that they’re really starting to pay off with Gemini.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit

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Post by rubyfan »

ghaff wrote: post #297
amelius wrote: post #281

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The demand is there. People are already becoming addicted to this stuff.

I think the HN crowd widely overestimates how many people are even passingly familiar with the LLM landscape much less use any of the tools regularly.

Sadly it’s become common for many mediocre employees in corporate environments to defer to ChatGPT, receive erroneous output and accept it as truth.

There are now commonly corporate goon squads whose job is to drive AI adoption without care for actual impact to results. Usage of AI is the KR.

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Post by datavirtue »

jefftk wrote: post #209
miohtama wrote: post #201

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For comparison, Uber is still not profitable after 15 years or so. Give it some time.

Uber had their first profitable year in 2023, and their profit margin was 22% in 2024. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/uber-technologies-full-2024-e...

They are still FAR in the red. Technically have never turned a profit. Among other famous companies.

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

karel-3d wrote: post #243

Please explain to me like I am stupid. If I want to use OpenAI models, I download ChatGPT app. What do I need to do to use Google's model? They have so mamy things called Gemini... I genuinely have no clue

There’s a Gemini app on mobile but if you’re on desktop use https://aistudio.google.com. They are behind in this aspect, hopefully they release a desktop app with MCP.

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Post by datavirtue »

imiric wrote: post #107
codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

> I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free and ads would become the main option to make money out of chatbots. I also think adtech corrupting AI as well is inevitable, but I dread for that future. Chatbots are much more personal than websites, and users are expected to give them deeply personal data. Their output containing ads would be far more effective at psychological manipulation than trad…

Right, but no one has been able to just download Google and run it locally. The tech comes with a built in adblocker.

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Post by chuckadams »

coliveira wrote: post #354
chuckadams wrote: post #320

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Ask Deepseek what happened in Tianmen Square in 1989 and get back to me about that "open" thing.

who cares, only ideologues care about this.

Caring about truth is indeed obsolete. I'm dropping out of this century.
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