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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by immibis »

sebazzz wrote: post #341
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

I've only seen billions be poured in LLMs and with those you're not going to control your drones.

Those are to identify who should be targeted with drones.

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Post by immibis »

colordrops wrote: post #259
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

Online propaganda since 2014ish led the US to its current state, which is incredible. It turns out you can destroy a country with nothing more than words.

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Post by immibis »

dekhn wrote: post #52

This reminds me of the historical period when London and Berlin were the two technology centers of the world, in intense competition to develop the next generation of math, science, and applications to military. Most scientists in one country did not read the output of the other country, although in some cases, the Danes or the Dutch would translate interesting research. A scientist from London visiting Berlin (and v…

There was also something like that with glassmaking in Florence hundreds of years ago.

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Post by immibis »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #295
fieldcny wrote: post #156

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As is the case that Trump, Musk, Vance and Thiel are Russian assets. It’s just common sense to use Trumps own words. Just remember that as these people drag us into a war for “peace”

The term for them is useful idiots not assets. The democrats did enormous damage to the Ukrainian cause pushing the russia hoax in 2017/18. Steele assumed there was competent intelligence analysts to analyse what he collected but instead it was politicians.

The other guy's point is that Russia is not a hoax and we'll see that when the files are opened up.

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Post by maxglute »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #345
maxglute wrote: post #331

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TIL hangzhou/new tier1 is a "modest" city. It's a sick world class city. Yeah, PRC RE in T1/2 cities stupid expensive, but highly compensated PRC talent always have option to rent for dirt cheap in T1 and buy something nice in T2/T3 city with a few years wage. Many highly paid Hangzhou tech workers renting in nice districts while buying equally nice in less expensive cities close by, i.e. renting nice condos in Binji…

I honestly think many Americans have not updated their perceptions of T1/T2 Chinese cities since like 2005.

Feels like too many mid westerners expat from 2000s-2010s who never got taste of premium expat life don't realize how a well compensated PRC employee can live real fancy, more so since they're not trapped in expat bubble.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

maxglute wrote: post #385
tokioyoyo wrote: post #345

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I honestly think many Americans have not updated their perceptions of T1/T2 Chinese cities since like 2005.

Feels like too many mid westerners expat from 2000s-2010s who never got taste of premium expat life don't realize how a well compensated PRC employee can live real fancy, more so since they're not trapped in expat bubble.

I don’t even think most of the commentators are even expats. It’s just a lot of people are hell-bent on the idea that outside of the US everything else is crumbling, is on fire, and will blow up the next month.

When I was bumming around US, I kept telling people how my best time in NA was living in a 800sq ft. apartment, in the best neighbourhood in the continent (also subjective), and I never upsized because it was subjectively the best choice for my lifestyle. Most of the responses were something like “you made yourself to believe in that”. Or “if you moved lived in X state you would have a better life”. But those were just not true for me, and will never will be. And from my personal circles, the same applies. People are just having a hard time to understand that if you make decent income, the life for some people is just better in other countries than US.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

gyomu wrote: post #63
kasey_junk wrote: post #27

The interesting thing in this article isn’t that China is telling people to avoid the US for national security reasons. Many states, including the US have similar guidance to people who work in jobs sensitive to national security. What’s interesting is that China is viewing AI tech as a technology vital to their security.

The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Surely it'd be a lot more cost-effective to train up people to fly drones remotely, or is the issue more that they can't secure the communications to control them remotely?

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Post by ty6853 »

pezezin wrote: post #352
ty6853 wrote: post #287

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Where I live now you can 3d print an unregistered and unserialized pistol then stuff it under your shirt (loaded) and walk into the unsecured part of a public airport without breaking the law, all with zero paperwork or licenses or checks. Can I do that in Switzerland?

And why is that a good thing?

Well for one, Europe has a history of gassing disarmed people and those on registries, for two locking your gun up to pick someone up from the airport just presents an unnecessary opportunity for it to be stolen.

Why is it a good thing to put someone into a tiny cage for victimless possession crimes?

Why must I convince you why whatever I do is good to preserve my rights? Fuck all that.

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Post by ty6853 »

immibis wrote: post #380
ty6853 wrote: post #204

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How about I see an interesting street hustler in Munich and put a photo of him on my blog? If something like that is illegal I'd quickly find our two cultures are absolutely incompatible with my continued residence.

I see - you think harassment and privacy violation is free speech. Please stay away from Europe.

Cool so now free speech is reduced to anything not viewed as harassment. I think I will take your advice, that's dystopic and far worse than just your prior bullet points.

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Post by borgdefenser »

lancebeet wrote: post #343
rcpt wrote: post #171

Really just unbelievably stupid that the US has decided to brain drain itself for no reason at all.

I hear this type of statement often, but people rarely mention the scope or who the brain drainees are. In my experience, it's exceptionally rare that American talent comes to Europe compared to the opposite, and I see little reason why that would change in the near future. When it comes to Chinese individuals returning to China from the US, this isn't exactly traditional brain drain, and it's also something China ha…

Imagine 30 years ago if someone said the country of Wittgenstein would not have a large language model of its own, let alone the EU.

It is insane.

Many people just talk nonsense on this topic with China vs the US. Anyone who hasn't read America Against America by Wang Huning basically has no idea what they are talking about on this subject. Of course, total ignorance on a topic has never been something to slow down the opinion of a westerner.

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