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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Dalewyn »

nerdjon wrote: post #181
Dalewyn wrote: post #160

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>I have yet to see any real talk about ARM on custom built machines and I doubt gamers are going to give that up anytime soon. The vast majority of gamers game on smartphones and tablets with ARM processors. Some of the biggest gaming hits recently have also been cross-architecture and cross-platform, namely Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail . Native ARM and x86 releases, runs on Windows, Android, and iOS. There a…

> The vast majority of gamers game on smartphones and tablets with ARM processors. Those are clearly not the gamers I am talking about. The gamers I am referring too are not switching to playing on mobile phones. If they are switching to handheld devices they are going with x86 devices like the Steam Deck. There is a massive market out there of games that do not support those platforms. That are only just now scratch…

>Those are clearly not the gamers I am talking about.

You specified gamers, you should have explicitly specified PC gamers if they are who you referred to.

Note that PC gamers are, as much as they deny it, a minority of out of all gamers as a whole. The vast majority of gamers play on mobile or consoles, and of those mobile far outnumbers consoles too.

Consoles can also switch processor architectures with the changing forces of the wind, they don't have to support backwards compatibility unlike x86 and Windows. If Windows ends up becoming more ARM dominant than x86, consoles will likely follow suit to make subsequent Windows ports (and then also mobile ports?) easier.

Going on a tangent, I find it very annoying that PC gamers despite being the minority somehow want to claim gamers aren't gamers. PC Master Race is a meme, not reality.

>Which unless I am mistaken the only one of those in the top list that actually runs on mobile is PUBG.

Stardew Valley at #10 also has mobile ports.[1][2]

>But the "hardcore" AAA gaming market still very much exists, and is firmly on x86 right now.

The games I cited are AAA games, FSVO AAA; they are developed and/or published by big, established studios and/or publishers. Frankly, I find the AAA moniker worthless these days, but I digress.

[1]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/stardew-valley/id1406710800

[2]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chucklefis...

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Dalewyn »

tredre3 wrote: post #372
Dalewyn wrote: post #144

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I hope you realize that most of the gaming world runs on ARM CPUs and iGPUs today. Smartphones and tablets far outnumber gaming PCs.

You're made that same comment several times in this thread. But: - All gaming PCs are x86 - PS5 and Xbox are x86 - Handheld PCs (Steam Deck, Legion, etc) are x86 This is the market people are talking about when they say "gaming" and you know it.

Just because most gamers game on mobile and consoles do not make them any less of gamers. PC gamers are a minority, not the majority; PC Master Race is a meme and not reality.

If anyone wants to refer to PC gamers, refer as such. "Gamers" with no additional descriptors by definition is anyone who games, and that includes gamers who play on mobile and consoles.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Peanuts99 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #227
ackfoobar wrote: post #216

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"Azure Active Directory" (now "Entra ID") and "Active Directory" caused me a great deal of confusion.

"Active Directory" / "Active Directory Domain Service" / "Active Directory Application Mode" / "Active Directory Lightweight Directory Services" / "Azure Active Directory" / "Entra Id" / "Active Directory Federation Services" / "Active Directory Certificate Services" / "Active Directory Rights Management Services" Ugh... and don't even get my started about the pronunciation of "Azure" (or the fact that, somehow, they…

You're forgetting Azure Active Directory Domain Services, which is presumably now named Entra AD Domain Services which is different from Azure AD/Entra AD because it's a managed domain controller in Azure...

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by mmcnl »

wslh wrote: post #336
mmcnl wrote: post #268

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Exactly. They're now aggressively competing with Apple with supposedly better performance and better battery life. That's huge. Apple was years ahead with the introduction of the M1 but it appears competition has finally caught up. All of this has to be proven in real life though, but so far all the newly announced ARM devices [0] look like impressive MacBook competitors on their own. [0] So far it seems this are the…

I am excited on having an ARM on a PC with Linux support but I never see Windows as an OS optimized for batteries beyond if they use ARM or x86. The Apple advantage continues to be a complete control of the device from hardware to the operating system, while the bloatware of Microsoft Windows makes an arbitrary use of resources. This is not to say that Microsoft Windows is not an advanced OS, the problem is that it i…

I guess that's true but you can't make a leap like Apple did with their transition to ARM every few years. So it's good to see the competition catch up. And I'm perfectly happy with Windows laptops trailing Apple by a close margin instead of a 4 year gap.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by shmerl »

hhh wrote: post #355
shmerl wrote: post #337

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Yes, as a desktop operating system. Nothing else respects privacy really that would require less time. Or may be you have a suggestion?

macOS

Nah, why would you trust Apple - they see you as a product they want to lock-in.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Dalewyn »

macintux wrote: post #297
Dalewyn wrote: post #97

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Not quite. Hidden at the very end of Microsoft's blognouncement[1] is this tidbit (emphasis mine): > We look forward to expanding through deep partnerships with Intel and AMD, starting with Lunar Lake and Strix. We will bring new Copilot+ PC experiences at a later date. So it's less Microsoft pivoting to and giving ARM a try again but rather testing the waters and distributing the risks by introducing ARM into a line…

Microsoft has no courage. They have to keep catering to every possible audience, so they’re not willing to pull the plug on x86, which means ARM will always play second fiddle.

Microsoft and Windows (and by extension x86) achieved their desktop market dominance by respecting that most people want backwards compatibility.

Everything that has tried to go or is going against that tide either failed (eg: Itanium, Windows RT) or never had market share to lose in the first place (eg: MacOS, Linux in the consumer space).

Microsoft would be stupid to be "courageous" and drop backwards compatibility, that would even trump Apple's courage abandoning the headphone jack. It also makes business sense to keep your eggs in multiple baskets, assuming those baskets are each commercially viable.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by yread »

bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

What there are still people who don't install Voidtools' Everything on all Windows PCs and assign it a global shortcut? Since I have it I don't even bother organizing stuff

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by relyks »

fassssst wrote: post #282
bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

Search engines use language models.

Not all do and the ones intended for desktop search likely shouldn't. Something like an inverted index would be a much better solution imo

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by gardenhedge »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #361
pelagicAustral wrote: post #173

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See the hellish naming and branding they've done with the .NET ecosystem... It is so convoluted, even people actively developing on their stacks would have and issue figuring out if they are downloading the right stuff.

Not really. It was a little confusing when they renamed .net core to .net, but most people have moved past it

Is it not currently asp.net core?
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