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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Does anyone use paid GSuite for anything other than docs/drive/Gmail ? In all companies I've worked at, we've used GSuite exclusively for those, and used slack/discord for chat, and zoom/discord for video/meetings. I know that MS Teams is a more full-featured product suite, but even at companies that used it, we still used Zoom for meetings.

My company uses Meet. It works great! I like it more than Zoom.

zoom is horrible. Meet works for me.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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The whole Gemini webpage and contents felt weird to me, it's in the uncanny valley of trying to look and feel like an Apple marketing piece. The hyperbolic language, surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity, unnecessary animations and the sales pitch from the CEO felt like a small player in the field trying to pass as a big one.

> surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity What does that mean and why is it bad? Diversity in marketing is used because, well, your desired market is diverse. I don't know what it means for it to be surgically precise, though.

I imagine the commenter was calling out what they perceived to be an inauthentic yet carefully planned facade of diversity. This marketing trend rubs me the wrong way as well, because it reminds me of how I was raised and educated as a 90s kid to believe that racism was a thing of the past. That turned out to be a damaging lie.

I don't mean to imply that companies should avoid displays of diversity, I just mean that it's obvious when it's inauthentic. Virtue signaling in exchange for business is not progress.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I was fooled. The model release announcement said it could accept video and audio multi-modal input. I understood that there was a lot of editing and cutting, but I really believed I was looking at an example of video and audio input. I was completely impressed since it’s quite a leap to go from text and still images to “eyes and ears.” There’s even the segment where instruments are drown and music was generated. I t…

"phase"?

My friend, all these large corporations are going to get away with exactly as much as they can, for as long as they can. You're implying there's nothing to do but wait until they grace us with a "not evil phase", when in reality we need to be working on restoring our anti-monopoly regulation that was systematically torn down over the last 30 years.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

Sundar Pichai should have been out of Google long ago.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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A big red flag for me was that Sundar was prompting the model to report lots of facts that can be either true or false. We all saw the benchmark figures that they published and the results mostly showed marginal improvements. In other words, the issue of hallucination has not been solved. But the demo seemed to imply that it had. My conclusion was that they had mostly cherry picked instances in which the model happen…

I mean it's a demo. Isn't this kinda what they all do

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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There was also the cringey "niiice!", "sweeeet!", "that's greaatt", "that's actually pretty good" responses from the narrator in a few of the demo videos that gave them the feel of a cheap 1980's TV ad.

It really reminds me of the Black Mirror episode Smithereens with the tech CEO talking with the shooter. Tech people really struggle with empathy, not just 1 on 1 but with the rest of the outside world which is predominantly low income relatively, with no college education. Paraphrased, Black Mirror ep was like: [Tech CEO read instructions to "show empathy" from his assistant via Slack] CEO: I hear you. It must be ve…

I remember that conversation! Man, that was a great episode.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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A rubber duck in a vacuum is still a rubber duck and it still floats (though water would evaporate too quickly in a vacuum, it could float on something else of the same density).

A rubber duck with a vacuum inside (removing the air material) of it is just a piece of rubber with eyes. Assuming OP's point about the rubber not being less dense than water, it would sink, no?

No. Air is less dense than water; vacuum is even less dense than air. A rubber duck will collapse if you seal it and try to pull a vacuum inside with air outside, but if the rubber duck is in a vacuum then it will have only vacuum inside and it will still float on a liquid the density of water. If you made a duck out of a metal shell you could pull a vacuum inside, like a thermos bottle, and it would float too.
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