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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

I started using matrix internally (with element as a client) which uses jitsi under the hood for video/voice chat. Quality is amazing.

Not anymore actually. The jitsi integration was just a temporary thing but 1:1 video chat already works natively.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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This is just the begining. Previously, only a handful companies like Google truly knew how to make AI tick with all the data they could gobble up. In the not so distant future, many tech companies will want to build out such capabilities.

I wouldn't be surprised if this "AI clause" is a staple in ToS going forward. Brace for Meta to call it in for Instagram and WhatsApp, if they haven't already (WhatsApp, in particular).

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Because "company policies"

This. I personally can switch but how do I communicate with my other colleagues? It's hard to convey people to move into a whole new stack without significant effort.

FWIW it's gone all right with Google Meet as the usual suggestion from me -- though as I said, it's been only small-group chats. Most of my colleagues have Chrome.

If really necessary for some particular chat I can use Zoom's in-browser page, ignoring its ridiculous auto-download of the native client. (I didn't even know a page could do that, before.)

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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+1 for Jitsi. They are awesome, lightweight, and just work with the least hassle. Pretty bad that many nontechnical users are not aware of it compared to Google Meet or Teams.

It's also much more responsive than teams. They seem to optimize frame rate over resolution and teams seems to do the opposite. Having used both I find the framerate more important as it's much easier to interpret quick facial expressions. But teams looks glossier which makes it easier to sell I guess.

For faces that might be true. I've had issues with different tools when sharing a full desktop session on a 4k monitor.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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I feel as if 2023 could become the inflection point where we will finally start investing in our own infrastructure again. Video calls for example are really a commodity service to be set up at this point.

Odds of any company spending the millions of dollars required to do that poorly, let alone going the extra distance to do it right: about zero.

What is so hard about it? It's a web app and some video manipulation. It would be nice if computers were usable enough that this would take a weekend.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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I hope this goes viral and Zoom dies a quick death. They went too far with this and I hope they suffer the consequences.

Where were you when Microsoft trained their models on everyone's github repo without their consent?

Where were you when Microsoft announced the exact same for Teams? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2022/06/1...

By allowing Microsoft do as they please, we collectively gave up our rights for privacy, we deserve what's happening

I chose to not use their products at all, it starts from there if you care

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#388

One of my doctors uses Zoom for tele-health appointments... How is this not a violation of HIPAA?

If Microsoft is allowed to do it, why can't Zoom?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2022/06/1...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Where do you live? In the US at least, landline (AKA POTS) is still the gold standard for audio quality.

I live in France, landline had a distinct background white noise to it that somehow Skype managed to imitate. Switching to any other software feels like you're upgrading to HD audio.

It’s called “comfort noise,” and was an option in Lync/Skype for Business. A lot of users being switched from desk phones, especially older ones who still primarily used landlines at home, found themselves wondering if their conversation partner was still on the line without it.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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It's useful. It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.

At some point though why not just collect questions beforehand, record the whole thing and let people watch it on their own time. At that scale there'll be no interactivity during the meeting anyway.

Because that's how you end up with projects that take 3 years to plan instead of 3 months. A live Q&A where all of the experts who can answer questions and everyone interested in the subject who may have questions are in the same room (live or virtual) is a lot more productive compared to what you are suggesting.

If something they said in the main presentation was missing important details that you need to do you work, why do you need to wait days/weeks for them to gather all the questions, find all the answers, and publish a video, when they could just answer it live in a few seconds?!

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