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> and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well.

Exactly. Reddit holds all the cards. Time after time, no great migration after a "revolt".

> Even r/nba committed to an indefinite timeframe at arguably the most important time of the NBA season.

The NBA championship just ended and the season is over. It's the least important time of the NBA season.

This is nothing but an annoyance at best for reddit. If things got serious, they'll just take ban the revolt leaders and take over the subs. Frankly, I despise the "power" mods as much as the reddit admins. Hope there is a mass culling of the mods on reddit as these privileged mods are who made reddit unbearable and turned it into a propaganda cesspool.

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I don't really understand why it had to be this way. It's so easy to think of other ways this could have been handled. Even just announcing the same change with 6 months of lead time rather than 1 month would have gone over better. Or boil the frog and gradually introduce API restrictions. It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up.

I don't understand why the users aren't just leaving? Surely the software/infrastructure can't be that hard to replicate, especially on a "subreddit" level? Why don't a few big mods just go this route and tell everyone else?

> why the users aren't just leaving?

People are addicted, especially the mods and power users. They won't go, because they've infested too much in building up their "clout."

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Reddit makes like half a billion, it's plenty profitable for what it is. The problem is that management is trying to make it into something that it's not in an effort to make even more money when the site just isn't geared for it. It's like if McDonalds instead of just opening more stores decided that it can make even more money if it turned into a bar and grill because steaks have higher margins.

Reddit management already did this when they began self-hosting all images and videos. It's pretty disingenuous to complain about excessive API call costs when you voluntarily decided to pay for hosting and streaming Petabytes of video and images.

Yeah, very odd move considering how difficult it is to get profit out of hosting images and videos on the internet. It like they had this massive cost neatly externalized and just decided to take it on instead. Even though no one asked for it.

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Usual bait and switch from Reddit. Pretty much all investor funded companies follow this path sooner or later. Lock the platform, squeeze the profit. Sad, but not much can be done about it.

Anyone else remember the giant exodus from Digg.com to Reddit? No one I know talks about Digg.com any more. But hey, maybe it is profitable.

Wikipedia mentions the original founder of Reddit saying

    this new version of digg reeks of VC meddling. It's cobbling together features from more popular sites and departing from the core of digg, which was to "give the power back to the people."
I feel some echoes of this statement with Reddit's recent changes. Maybe these exoduses are a cycle. I think it's a relatively recent phenomenon for a huge online service to last beyond one or more decades, and I'm not sure with these kinds of funding models and sheer user numbers it's realistic to expect these kinds of VC-funded services to last in perpetuity. Could they last 30 years at that size? 50?

Maybe in another 15 years, whichever successor to Reddit is found unsustainable/unreliable (decentralized or not), everyone left with a dire need of niche online subcommunities shrugs their shoulders and moves on once again. I don't see them having another choice. The need for online communities will always be there in my mind, especially since the existence of Reddit has proven that it can be done, and someone will build something else that everyone conditioned on these forums will use eventually.

I hold out hope, but an unlikely outcome is the mainstream somehow attaches itself to a service with a different funding model like Wikipedia or AO3, or these kinds of message boards are treated like public utilities. It will still be a massive burden to administer, but the outcomes could be different. I remember reading how "critical" subreddits were given a pass from the blackouts like /r/Ukraine because the value of their information trumps anything related to Reddit operations. A part of me thinks that Reddit's current playbook takes into account that some parts of its existence have become too important for mods/users to shut down, and that seems different to Digg's situation in 2010. They simply weren't as big as Reddit today. This is uncharted territory.

Regardless, in my mind, a lot of things in life don't last forever, not just Digg or (soon possibly) Reddit. But lots of people rode the wave regardless for 15+ years, and have gained a lot of useful knowledge from Reddit in the meantime.

So people will inevitably flock to other closed platforms like Discord because those platforms are the objectively superior choices, and they're not ideal for various reasons, but in my mind you just have to meet people where they are. And I think a service like Discord could absolutely implode with a few misplaced administrative changes. But at this point I tend to see these things as part of a greater circle of life, and it's (probably) not like they're going to implode almost immediately in quick succession. Just that your time spent there is a part of a particular nexus in a particular point of human history, and it's going to be limited. So, enjoy it while it lasts.

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Anyone else remember the giant exodus from Digg.com to Reddit? No one I know talks about Digg.com any more. But hey, maybe it is profitable.

Due to some quirk of when and how I used the Internet, I not only never used Digg but have only really heard of it in relation to the exodus you mentioned. So, interestingly, I don't remember the exodus but I also feel like people talk about Digg.com all the time (as a cautionary tale).

I used to read Digg heavily and joined the exodus to Reddit after, I think the outcome was similar but back then Reddit was popular enough and it had no power mod problems as Digg, also transitioning was easier because it was just web version and no native client. This time a third client alone as Apollo can make people go away.

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> It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up. The CEO is following the new leadership playbook, which you should recognize by now, as it's used by Musk, crypto leaders, Zuckerberg, and many more inside and outside of tech. * Fundamentally it's just following the social (media) trend: Demonstrate brazen, over-the-top arrogance, disregard for consequences, and no empathy. I'm…

I'm very interested in the recent origins of this playbook. 'never apologize, never explain' is really old, but it seems to be a thing now

The president demonstrated it from 2016 to 2020. We are just seeing the copycats now.

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Anyone else remember the giant exodus from Digg.com to Reddit? No one I know talks about Digg.com any more. But hey, maybe it is profitable.

That led directly to where we are today. But IMO the situation isn’t comparable: if Reddit is Digg then who is Reddit? There isn’t really a viable alternative.

Now people use native clients and none of the alternatives have a good one even compared to the official Reddit client

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No shit hey. Fucking rocket appliances apparently. Charge me $4 for premium and give devs 3 months to implement the changes or something. It feels so blindingly simple that this who mess is mind numbingly stupid.

It's stupid but you have to keep in mind Reddit's execs are liars. The API users aren't costing Reddit money and they're not the reason they have profitability problems. Reddit wants to wrap all their content in a mobile app. There they can force ads without the option to blocking, they can force (paid for) "suggestions", and they can vacuum up all that sweet personalized data from every user.

Quick napkin math shows that they’re currently making about 10 cents in ad money per active user per month. Any subscription would bring an order of magnitude more income.

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I don't really understand why it had to be this way. It's so easy to think of other ways this could have been handled. Even just announcing the same change with 6 months of lead time rather than 1 month would have gone over better. Or boil the frog and gradually introduce API restrictions. It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up.

> It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up. The CEO is following the new leadership playbook, which you should recognize by now, as it's used by Musk, crypto leaders, Zuckerberg, and many more inside and outside of tech. * Fundamentally it's just following the social (media) trend: Demonstrate brazen, over-the-top arrogance, disregard for consequences, and no empathy. I'm…

Mark Zuckerberg at least doesn't seem particularly arrogant, nor is he playing the victim. During his last interview with Lex Fridman he openly acknowledged past errors and stated that he wasn't sure whether current plans would work. I'm not here to defend him and I disagree with many of his positions but it's worth listening to the interview to gain a more nuanced understanding than the snarky hot takes which dominate here.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vYx9yPEIpJaoh2I4keEjA?si=a...

(Of course, it's also possible that the whole interview was just an act.)

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I agree. I think that this is a turning point for Reddit but not towards failure: they’re ditching the hardcore nerd audience that made them. But they’ve long since outgrown that audience and will likely (as a company) do just fine without them. As a community there will be a notable loss.

Who is going to mod it.. couple reddits that I follow daily are public again, however there are no new posts as mods stopped accepting anything. I am genuinely curious how this is going to work going forward.

Reddit (the company) controls the platform. They can just install new mods if the current mods arent doing their job. I doubt most users would even notice that the mod names have changed.
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