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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

How's the winter in that area normally ? Because i've lived my first ~16 years of life in a home heated with firewood (and coal but it's irellevant now) and by the end of september all the fuel needed for 3 months of winter was neatly piled up within easy reach of the house. All you needed was to shovel like 20 meters of path and maybe a wheelbarrow. Why would you need something motorized to get to your firewood? Doe…

The skid steers comments were about an organisation which stores and delivers wood to residents in the area. Individual households / residences presumably aren't using skid steers to retrieve wood.

From the article:

Oglala-based service organization Re-Member provides firewood to families on all corners of the reservation, but the drifts of snow have rendered their wood stockpile inaccessible still – and it’ll be that way for the foreseeable future.

“Our wood pile remains inaccessible,” read a Facebook post on Dec. 20. “Our skid steer and plow are out-of-service. Given the conditions, it would be near impossible to operate our equipment and unsafe for our staff to work in the conditions we are facing.

That is, one of the key stockpiles serving the community couldn't provide fuelwood due to both weather conditions and broken equipment.

And, as numerous others have noted, the region is desperately poor and remote.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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I think the ultimate combo will be air source heat pumps and pellet stoves. Pellet stoves should keep the insurance companies happy. Semi-renewable fuel. Semi-automated operation with minimal fire risk. Not much more expensive than nat gas, much cheaper than oil and propane, and most importantly: no nat gas network/connection/account/delivery charge.

How are pellets semi-renewable? Pellets are still burned up. Are the ashes re-used?

Pellets grow on^W^W are trees.

Wood-pellet fuel is largely a by-product of existing forestry activity.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/wood_energy/bulk_pellets>

In the sense that trees are a resource which regrows after harvesting, unlike mined fossil fuels,[1] wood pellets are renewable.

There's reasonable concern that at quantities meaningful for replacing existing fuels, fuel-wood, including wood pellets, would not be renewable, though at what quantity that concern manifests I'm not sure.

Reasonably small-scale local burning of wood on an occasional basis can be sustainable. There are significant issues with air quality especially in traditional open-hearth fireplaces. The best heating stoves are enclosed as with cast-iron stoves, masonry heaters / masonry stoves, and the like. The actual firebox is often not directly visible, air intake is directly from the outside (so that warm air isn't sucked out of the structure), and heat is radiated through thermal mass and channeling. These stoves also burn more efficiently (high temperatures and optimised airflow) greatly reducing pollution concerns with particulates.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonry_heater>

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1. Note that the "fossil" in "fossil fuels" doesn't refer to petrified bone, but to things which have been dug up. "Fossil fuel" is fuel dug from the ground, as "fossil bones" are bones dug from the ground. The meanings of "turned to stone" (e.g., fossilised), or "old" (he's a fossil) are much more recently acquired meanings. https://www.etymonline.com/word/fossil>

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Ye not directed directly at GP. I tried to whine about downvotes without writing the d-word.

? I was replying to your comment.

To clarify: I agree that the "astounded" comment was not an angry comment.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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It is very hard to tease genetic factors out from socio-economic ones, but IMHO it seems plausible that a population that has been exposed to alcohol for a long time (hundreds of generations) may have been better selected for higher tolerance than a population that has been exposed only recently (a few dozen generations, and with modern technology making selection pressure lower in general).

18th century was only 7 generations ago, not "a few dozen".

My nan was born in the 1930s and I have kids. So we're already at 3 generations that have had a chance to breed. My great grandparents takes us not even back to the start of the 20th century.

Having kids at 30 is historically very late. Late teens and early 20s was much more common. So perhaps not a few dozen, but certainly over a dozen.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_Native_Americans#G... Alcoholism rates among Native Americans is higher than most groups, which leads some to suspect a genetic reason. Currently, there isn't a ton of evidence supporting that idea.

It was my understanding that native Americans have a genetically driven shortage of the second enzyme in the chain necessary for breaking down alcohol. My source was knowledgeable but not rigorous so take that as you will.

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/alcohol-metabolism

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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I think one thing to clarify here is that western Europeans have thousands of years of history brewing and drinking alcoholic beverages, but it was only in the past 250 years that heavily DISTILLED alcoholic beverages like whiskey at affordable prices became a thing. Have greater than 5 percent ABV in a beverage would've been a bit rarer preindustrial revolution I believe. Even heavily DISTILLED high proof colonial r…

As a long-time tea drinker it was a shock to realize that while tea is pretty good for you, historically its biggest health contribution has been in drinking boiled (or almost boiled) water, not those catechins or l-theanine...

Oh funny. I hadn’t thought of that.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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> same energy density as wood by weight which means they'll provide a few minutes of heat at best. You'd be better off using them as blankets or letting some water freeze them into scoop shapes and turning them into makeshift shovels. They also aren't going to burn nearly as cleanly as wood, meaning the burn will be far less efficient. Depending on the size of area that you're heating, getting from -15 to 30F will ta…

It isn’t going to be clean burning, but the clothes are presumably bone dry which helps. Really though it’s not about how good an energy source this is, but just how much old junk people have. I have seen people toss several hundred pounds of old clothes that don’t have any real value. It’s the same with old books they don’t burn that well but when you have a half a ton you might as well burn em vs toss them in a lan…

If they had several hundred pounds of old clothes they can build a gigantic pillow fort and huddle together in the middle with a candle. This would be better than burning the clothes, as I assume they have enough food.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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I have a relative who has generally been in and out of debt. Occasionally, she convinces someone in the family to give her a cash infusion - enough to clear the debts. She goes back into debt right after. In her youth, she didn't make much. She has since become a skilled professional though and now makes a very good salary. She is still in debt. I have friends who make mind boggling amounts of money and also have ama…

At the same time, being unable to rent an apartment in DC as a Congressperson effectively cuts out people who were, or are of, a certain income strata from ever serving as representatives and Senators. Is that actually desirable?

No. They can commute from Maryland or Virginia like everyone else.

Biden, when he was VP under Obama, commuted back and forth to Delaware on the weekends still.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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For some context from someone who's been on that Res, its population is highly vulnerable with no margin for mishaps. It's a place of generational, crushing poverty, crime, illness, genetic-exacerbated substance abuse, broad lack of economic opportunity, cultural isolation, and federal disinvestment. Free federal healthcare is available, but only at an IHS hospital in Rapid City 1.5 hours away in good weather: it's a…

Also, Pine Ridge is literally the poorest location in America and the only way out of the poverty is to leave, which means leaving behind your family, your tribe, and your culture.

There's like 25 businesses there for a population of thousands. There's no good reason for people to drive through the reservation, a few handfuls of trucks, and the land isn't good for much other than to look at or feed some cows.

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