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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by civopsec »

walkhour wrote: post #177
pjc50 wrote: post #142

(content warning) It's not commonly discussed, but suicide seems to be a "sociogenic illness" in that reporting on suicides as such can cause more suicides. You may have noticed this in the reporting on celebrity deaths; a young person who "dies suddenly" may be suicide, but news reports will tend to avoid saying that out of concern for the sociogenic effects.

For the reason you discuss you should delete your comment. Airplanes crashes rise when the media discusses these topics: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1746810 .

Can’t delete something that has been replied to.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

zozbot234 wrote: post #361
f38zf5vdt wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything to support this in the literature. The overwhelming majority (94-98%) of youth who transition maintain their gender identity many years later as adults. [1][2] It's hard to imagine they would continue treatment if it was making them miserable. [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/transgender-kids-tend-to... [2] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4...

AIUI, another user ITT has mentioned https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33883438 that this is merely statistics of how many transitioners formally pursue detransition, and that the numbers of those who practically desist from treatment are a lot higher than that.

The number of individuals failing to follow up on a study or even treatment for any disease at the same medical office is high, for example it's approximately 50% for _cancer_. [1] You're welcome to extrapolate to your own taste, but it's still simply an unknown -- unlike the people you _do_ have data for.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29028642/

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by fullstackchris »

I just experienced this today; I was walking down the street and a teenager walking by himself abruptly made this sharp random shrieking sound to no one in particular and then kept walking along.

Could he actually have Tourette's by traditional clinical definition? Certainly. But I'm inclined to beleive that it has much more to do with this article's definition and how f***d the youth are against the whole social media scene today.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by johnnymorgan »

meowfly wrote: post #192
Ord3rChaos wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you honestly say that your lived experience hasn't changed you? It's clear "gangster rap" doesn't ruin anyone's lives like the parents of the 90's thought it might. That doesn't absolve it from affecting you in more subtle ways (good and bad).

Maybe I don't understand the question but of course a persons lived experience affects them. It seems like you've moved the goal posts. What I'm pointing out is that OPs moralizing on good media "Anime, Books" vs bad media "Rap, Trash Magazines" is likely focusing on the wrong things. A person's friends are ultimately what matter in prioritizing values (as far as values can be shaped by environment). But the claim ab…

Lol I'm not moralizing at all, I stated it applies to all information regardless and so I cut the cord.

24 hour news is worse for this than gangster rap and turned off both so the same reason, I didn't like the messaging coming from it. NWO and Ghetto boys pushed me out of the genre, that doesn't the music is bad just something I choose to not engage with based off their content.

You got super defensive over what should be obvious, the content and people you engage with will define your character.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by Eumenes »

gadders wrote: post #39
mathgeek wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate? As written, your comment can come off as rather ageist/sexist, which is a shame if you meant a specific trend.

Fuck it, I'll take the karma hit. I am of course referring to young girls identifying as male/non-binary. I'm sure some of the cases are genuine, but not all. And I'm not saying these girls aren't troubled or have other things going on that they need help with.

It is mass psychosis at this stage. Friend is a teacher in a very wealthy suburban area and 50%+ of the class identifies as non-binary (apparently). We're supposed to believe this is organic and totally normal?

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by emptysea »

fullstackchris wrote: post #383

I just experienced this today; I was walking down the street and a teenager walking by himself abruptly made this sharp random shrieking sound to no one in particular and then kept walking along. Could he actually have Tourette's by traditional clinical definition? Certainly. But I'm inclined to beleive that it has much more to do with this article's definition and how f***d the youth are against the whole social med…

I’m guessing they’re looking for a reaction. Similar to people driving by and yelling out the window

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by tgv »

lisper wrote: post #370
throw__away7391 wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this not totally normal and very common though? This exact thing happens to me all the time, with some specific memories linked to seemingly random acts like shaving the left side of my neck.

I have no idea if it's common or not. It might be. It's not the sort of thing people generally discuss. This is the first time I've ever talked about it.

A (long) time ago, I noticed something not dissimilar in my behavior. I've never noticed it in others, so it quite likely that your behavior goes unnoticed too.

But what I did was tell myself to not react like that again next time. Of course, that didn't work, but it made me notice it better. And after repeating that for some time, I had timely control over the reaction (not over the stimulus that provoked it). If your tic is light and annoys you, you could try that. Your subconscious is capable of picking up more than you think, and it is (somewhat) malleable.

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Post by evilos »

lisper wrote: post #355
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #34

From my reading of the article (which is hard to parse not being an expert) it seems there is a German YouTuber with Tourette's who also on his YouTube shows displays non-tourette's tics. And these tics are being copied by other young people watching his shows, and being presented as Tourette's until they arrive at the clinic where these experts go "hang on this kid does not have Tourette's but does have tics similar…

It's plausible [1] [2]. I am by all accounts neurotypical (except perhaps for a touch of Aspergers) but I have an involuntary tic. Every now and then (like once or twice a week) a memory of some incredibly stupid thing that I once did -- sometimes decades ago -- will pop into my head and before I can re-establish conscious control I'll make a vocalization that sounds like a cross between a whimper and a sneeze. It's…

I think this is a bit different from a tic though that's an unqualified opinion.

This happens to me as well, but usually I just kind of mutter 'damnit' under my breath or 'ugh'. Maybe shake my head a little.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by Centigonal »

fullstackchris wrote: post #383

I just experienced this today; I was walking down the street and a teenager walking by himself abruptly made this sharp random shrieking sound to no one in particular and then kept walking along. Could he actually have Tourette's by traditional clinical definition? Certainly. But I'm inclined to beleive that it has much more to do with this article's definition and how f***d the youth are against the whole social med…

maybe he was going through something

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by zozbot234 »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #382
zozbot234 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AIUI, another user ITT has mentioned https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33883438 that this is merely statistics of how many transitioners formally pursue detransition, and that the numbers of those who practically desist from treatment are a lot higher than that.

The number of individuals failing to follow up on a study or even treatment for any disease at the same medical office is high, for example it's approximately 50% for _cancer_. [1] You're welcome to extrapolate to your own taste, but it's still simply an unknown -- unlike the people you _do_ have data for. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29028642/

But the whole question is why people are desisting from treatment that's supposed to help them reaffirm their gender. Everyone knows that cancer treatment has very uncomfortable side effects; it's not surprising that people might neglect that. Gender treatment is literally supposed to make you feel good, by treating disphoria.
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