I don’t want teachers anymore either because I see them as an institution of racially motivated anti-white hate. From CRT to the Minneapolis teachers’ union all I see is hate.
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#382I don’t want teachers anymore either because I see them as an institution of racially motivated anti-white hate. From CRT to the Minneapolis teachers’ union all I see is hate.
Could you provide some concrete examples please?
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the real issue. Most states require a master’s or credit hour equivalent to retain your teaching credentials, but the pay is bad, laughably bad in some areas. So bad that someone who has been teaching 10 years will make more doing almost anything else at an entry level position elsewhere. A lot of teachers are being recruited to do sales because they can speak well extemporaneously. Should I get paid less and…
Can you point to an area where a teacher with 10 years of experience, working full-time, earns less than an entry-level position? Teacher contracts are mostly public and you can use $15/hr for entry level, shouldn’t be hard to find and example if it exists.
Many entry-level sales jobs, which often require no specific college degree, though typically a college degree is preferred, earn 50-70k /year. Entry level sales, specifically, can easily net over 100k a year if you are good at what you do as you work at least partially on commission.
Teachers, companies are discovering, are desirable sales reps because they are experienced at being high energy, talking extemporaneously, and may have some domain specific knowledge that is valuable, such as a chemistry teacher going into pharmaceutical sales.
Most teachers will never make 100k in their entire career. Some districts pay well in high COL areas, but this is the exception not the rule. Entry level pay for teachers is actually pretty good, but your salary does not scale as it does in most other careers. It typically takes 20+ years to get to six figures if you can at all.
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#384From growing up watching my mother struggling with the daft administration she dealt with as a teacher, I pretty much agree with the overall thrust of this article.
I personally enjoy teaching and have discussed many times with my wife that I should teach in my retirement from tech, but we both understand the pay is so little it doesn’t provide a realistic career option until after we’ve hit FIRE.
We truly do treat teachers horribly in this country. That said, I think this article would have been better without irrelevant jabs at favored left-wing punching bags who have nothing to do with the main point.
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#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have a BS in Education (BA in Philosophy), which means you have to go through their M. Ed. program with licensure. You must take Educational Theory/Pedagogy core courses along with required courses in your field -- I had saved money and already taken the calc sequence, linear algebra and differential equations. Grad school at the UMN is ~$10k a semester ( https://onestop.umn.edu/finances/costs/tuition ). Woul…
> The teachers union has been waging a war against future teachers to benefit current teachers for 30 years this statement is presented as The Truth, do you have some information that backs this up?
The field of study of occupation licensing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_licensing
It's absurd to think someone needs to take a $1k 'Philosophy of Mathematics' class to teach 10th grade geometry.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The teachers union has been waging a war against future teachers to benefit current teachers for 30 years this statement is presented as The Truth, do you have some information that backs this up?
The field of study of occupation licensing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_licensing It's absurd to think someone needs to take a $1k 'Philosophy of Mathematics' class to teach 10th grade geometry.
i'm aware of that, but can you give me a concrete examples where teacher unions in minnesota are causing the problem of occupational licensing?
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Parents would flat-out say that they can't respect her because of her salary. Along the lines of, if you're smart and can do stuff, why the hell are you working for such a low pay? Damn, that is so gut wrenching to read. It's so short sighted that society does not value teachers more highly. The next generation is the ultimate investment.
It actually makes sense to deprecate teachers if you are one of the christian fascists in the republican party. We need only look at the recent string of laws, book bannings and similar to get an idea of what religious fascism does. Attacking the teachers have been a long term goal. School funds already are now allowed to be directed to parochial (religious) schools from the state school coffers. This starves the pub…
Globally, the root cause is definitely not „christian fascists“. For example in my country it's woke neoliberals pushing the notion of schooling freemarketisation. At the same time claiming that teachers' salary increase won't help with terrible students' performance at exams :)
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#388> It’s definitely about the money. This. It's all about the money. I left the classroom and literally shed a tear in front of my principal. She asked what she could do for me to stay and I said "I need more money. I have bills to pay." You can't pay a mortgage with thank you notes, certificates of appreciation, and hugs. I taught high school Computer Science, a needed subject area with countless CS training initiativ…
What do you do now? Coding?
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) Has it really? I'm sure the potential exists for video lectures or whatever, but I think the teachers still ostensibly at least teach. 2) How little do you pay babysitters? At, say, $5 per kid per hour, a teacher of 20 would be doing pretty well, and that's on the low side of class sizes these days I think.
> Has it really? I'm sure the potential exists for video lectures or whatever, but I think the teachers still ostensibly at least teach. Yes. Gone are the days that you would hire a teacher to teach you something. These days you turn to automated teaching services. The fact that the word teacher is now synonymous with the K-12 school teacher further emphasizes that the career in general has effectively disappeared. A…
Do you have any evidence that teachers are all using “automated teaching services”? I’ve never heard of such a thing.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let’s just go with crap wages == whatever isn’t sufficient to keep enough people in the profession, such that you need to start recruiting wildly unqualified people just to fill the spot.
You almost had me at "whatever isn’t sufficient to keep enough people" but then dammit, you lost at "wildly unqualified people" If you mean "having an education degree" or "getting a grossly irrelevant teacher's certificate" then no, those are not "qualifications." Those are just the teacher's union contract provisions.
There are some problems with the system you're objecting to, but the "veterans and random college students" qualification some places are moving to is... worse.