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Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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> States banned math books for being too woke.

> being asked to breathe children’s germs

Ok.

This article is basically a long rant, and this kind of teacher is exactly what contributed to the burning out of my wife as a teacher. She wanted to teach math, but was being asked to teach social justice math.

> I mean, they’re letting anyone in the classroom now. I’m surprised they haven’t started recruiting the homeless.

Is this a dig at the latest Desantis bill to fast track veterans into teaching roles?

Another complaint, my wife went to one of the highest ranked schools in the country, and was just shy of the minimum gpa requirement to go into the public school system right out of college. Instead she went and taught at charter schools, and her students regularly outperformed other schools in the network with math scores. But she wasn't qualified to teach math until she did a graduate program that had nothing to do with math. She quit the graduate school program because she was being graded on her ability to be inclusive in the classroom and it was a rubric designed for pushing equity and social justice, when again...she was trying to teach math. She would have been just "anyone" being allowed to teach in a classroom.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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A few random thoughts: 1. For as much as we spend on education, teachers seem to be grossly underpaid - to be getting robbed of their share of the budget. Where does that money go? 2. It seems that education degrees are seen as easier to achieve than others. 3. Teachers frequently complain about how they are unappreciated, yet children spend _12 years_ in their care. Why do people come up to them and say they hated s…

> 2. It seems that education degrees are seen as easier to achieve than others. Here is the problem. Teachers in America compare themselves to professionals, but their test scores are below the average for college educated people generally: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/... . Now 40% of college graduates don’t even get a job that requires a college degree. Disproportionately, those are p…

If we paid them more, it’d be easier to hold them to a higher standard

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you can do math, you can teach yourself enough physics to teach in high school." No, you can't. Even at the high school level there is jargon, historical methodology, and domain-specific nuance that isn't accessible to the self-taught. That's true for almost any subject one might think of, in fact.

What prevents anyone from learning all they need about any subject on their own? If someone is capable of reading, it seems to me they could teach themselves any subject using books. Of course, having a good teacher to guide them in which sources to read, etc, would greatly speed up the process of learning. However, I don’t see any reason someone cannot learn any subject on their own.

Books provide the basics required to understand the field. They don't help develop intuition, methodology, collaboration, and other skills necessary to truly understand the field or teach it to others.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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I realize this piece is more of a rant, and I won't hold it to a data accuracy standard it never pretended to have, but they pay issue is really misconstrued. Salaries in large urban districts are often well above area median, and when accounting for benefits and pension, quite impressive. In South Dakota and a number of states in the south and rural districts, yes it is another story, and it is bad. Also, teachers N…

The thing to compare to is the jobs the teachers could do if they weren't teachers. All of them have college degrees, many have masters degrees. The comparison point should be generic white collar office jobs, which are pretty much all easier (and especially, less annoying), higher paying, and more respected.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s valid, there are different kinds of disruptive kids. A good friend of mine at high school was very bright, kind of a troublemaker, diagnosed with ADHD, took prescription Ritalin, was a bit of a pain in the ass with his teachers, but had parents who cared and he ended up graduating and doing fine.

I never formed good habits and I really wish my parent prioritized that (Ritalin) over growing big and tall for a minuscule chance of making it in pro sports.

I volunteer with kids, and I see parents who prioritize sports where they have to pay a lot of money for fees over more scholastic and much cheaper programs for the smaller chance of getting a sports scholarship/career than more plentiful academic scholarships.

I don't know if they think their children just aren't capable intellectually or what.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. For as much as we spend on education, teachers seem to be grossly underpaid - to be getting robbed of their share of the budget. Where does that money go? Counterpoint: teachers' pay is great, it's just backloaded in pension plans. > 2. It seems that education degrees are seen as easier to achieve than others. Yeah, but cost is the same and cost is what's important. > 4. Many school problems are caused by disrup…

“Why didn't I end up in teaching? The licensing requirements in Minnesota are insane. Counselor's straight up told me I'd have to borrow ~$50k from the UMN for a MS in Curriculum and Instruction before I could teach.” I received my teaching license in Wisconsin and transferred to Minnesota by doing little more than passing the licensure exam. I did not have an MS at that time or when I started teaching in the Minneap…

I don't have a BS in Education (BA in Philosophy), which means you have to go through their M. Ed. program with licensure. You must take Educational Theory/Pedagogy core courses along with required courses in your field -- I had saved money and already taken the calc sequence, linear algebra and differential equations.

Grad school at the UMN is ~$10k a semester (https://onestop.umn.edu/finances/costs/tuition). Would have been ~30 years old, $40k in debt as a beginning teacher in MN. Amazingly, none of that includes actual experience teaching lol.

The teachers union has been waging a war against future teachers to benefit current teachers for 30 years and this is what that looks like after 30 years.

Similar to housing and zoning, education is a government racket.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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The US has always experienced relentless political activism against public education. This creates a climate where teachers, and the institution they work in, are actively hated by a wide swath of the public. This is due in no small part to proponents of religious education.

It's true that teachers receive an above-average salary, but that can be both a blessing and a curse. The curse is that your wages are a matter of public record, and more than half of voters earn less then you, though teaching their precious children should be a privilege.

A second thing is that schools are the repository of social problems that they can't solve, including poverty, racism, the proliferation of firearms, and rise of violent rhetoric.

My state outlawed the teachers' union several years ago, and a lot of senior teachers took early retirement or went into other jobs. Most were old enough that they had settled into their lifestyle, and weren't going to get rich by changing careers. The word they used the most was "respect." My neighbor, one of the best teachers in the district, is now working as an engineer. His spouse is a mid six figure executive.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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This title is absolutely false, at least where I live. My wife and many of my friends and family are teachers. There is a ton of competition and all of them have had a hard time getting a stable job teaching something they don't hate. Most of them have either moved across the country, feigned religious practice, or accepted positions nobody else would take with little opportunity for advancement just to get their feet in the door.

My wife went the "positions nobody else would take with little opportunity for advancement" route and even amidst the so-called "shortages" she has been struggling and failing at finding a normal teaching position - both in her current district and nearby metro districts - even though she has a stunning reputation and 6 years of in-classroom teaching experience.

There is no shortage. Teaching is an overcrowded job market and has been for a while, despite the poor pay and miserable conditions. I blame the education system itself for giving would-be teachers such unrealistic expectations for occupational outlook and work environment. The author said "Everyone secretly thinks they can teach because they watched Mr. Holland’s Opus" and she's right, but one of my biggest frustrations is how the post-secondary education system does nothing to address that mentality.

But there's more to this than just the title, so let's take a look at the other headers.

> Almost nobody respects teachers.

Also false. The majority of people respect teachers. When my wife wears anything indicating she's a teacher outside of work, she often gets compliments on her position, words of encouragement, and general appreciation from random passerbys. I've never once heard anyone make a snide remark about teachers to her.

The difficulty my wife seems to have is with parents and admins. The admins love to micromanage and usually end up wasting time and making things worse. Most parents are fine (some are even great), but there's always a few that have unreasonable expectations and would rather blame teachers for their child's misbehavior than hold their child responsible. Those are the ones she talks about, but she admits they are a minority.

> Teachers are beyond burned out.

Absolutely.

> Americans think it’s “not about the money.”

Is that really true though? I've never met anyone who has outwardly expressed that. You have to have some passion for teaching to bear with it, but I think most Americans realize that money is pretty important for getting by in life and teachers are no exception.

> Teaching has become truly miserable.

Yup.

> It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't really understand this one. The author talks about how schools are accepting worse and worse teachers, but she doesn't really elaborate on how that is a "self-fulfilling prophecy".

> America doesn’t deserve its teachers.

Don't we, though? I think we deserve exactly what the monstrous system we've created has given us - both the good and bad.

I think there's a lot that can be done to fix the US education system. I think funding is part of it, but I also think starting there is a grave mistake. Putting more money into a bad system just produces more bad results. Fix the system, then invest more into it. I have lots of ideas on how to "fix" it, but this comment has gone on long enough.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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> States banned math books for being too woke. > being asked to breathe children’s germs Ok. This article is basically a long rant, and this kind of teacher is exactly what contributed to the burning out of my wife as a teacher. She wanted to teach math, but was being asked to teach social justice math. > I mean, they’re letting anyone in the classroom now. I’m surprised they haven’t started recruiting the homeless.…

What would "social justice math" look like? Serious question, I can't even imagine. Here in Europe math education hasn't changed a ton in the past decades at all.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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> States banned math books for being too woke. > being asked to breathe children’s germs Ok. This article is basically a long rant, and this kind of teacher is exactly what contributed to the burning out of my wife as a teacher. She wanted to teach math, but was being asked to teach social justice math. > I mean, they’re letting anyone in the classroom now. I’m surprised they haven’t started recruiting the homeless.…

> Is this a dig at the latest Desantis bill to fast track veterans into teaching roles

Her comparison of veterans to homeless people speaks volumes about where she is coming from. As I understand it, the DeSantis bill allows veterans who have 60 credits and pass a subject exam to get a provisional teaching certificate while they complete their degree: https://flgov.com/2022/08/17/governor-ron-desantis-highlight.... That sounds like a great idea.

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