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Post by jimbob45 »

aortega wrote: post #126
chrischen wrote: post #116

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Lucky for short people, height is a lot less of a factor in modern society. Wealth is a much bigger factor. And what's the best path to wealth? Software . Even more lucky for them, software and internet doesn't care about height.

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I think you’ve nailed the central point here: men get stuck in the friend zone where they can’t have sex with a woman. However, women have the opposite problem where they get stuck in the fuck zone where the man only wants casual sex and doesn’t care about a romantic, emotional, or cohabitative relationship.

Just because you’re getting Tinder matches doesn’t mean you’re finding the type of relationship you want. I see a lot of men on /pol/ unable to see that things can be equally difficult in different ways on the female side.

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Post by cercatrova »

chrischen wrote: post #35

> “Don’t be so sure of yourself, short man!” The problem is that it's still socially acceptable to see short stature as some objective faux-pas. There's really no difference between a person proudly declaring they only like "white" people and a person declaring they only like "tall" people. If the guy said "Don't be so sure of yourself, black man" maybe it would have been acceptable in the 1920s, but it surely isn't…

> There's really no difference between a person proudly declaring they only like "white" people and a person declaring they only like "tall" people.

People can like whoever they want to like. Some people may only like those of a certain height, weight, race, class, and any other attribute you may want to think of, but it is not necessarily wrong. It is up to each individual to have the freedom to date whoever they wish.

You might be conflating this with the societal denigration of certain races or classes, which is surely bad because there really is no reason to denigrate them, but that is not the same as saying everyone must be attracted to those of any combination of the above such factors.

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Post by zeven7 »

withinboredom wrote: post #309
FooBarWidget wrote: post #173

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Well ok but all the relationship skills in the world can't help you if you can't get past that initial filter.

Confidence gets you past any initial filter (not to be confused with arrogance or assertiveness — be respectful). Once you get serious, it’s the bigger filters you need to worry about IME. My then new girlfriend’s friend asked me out of nowhere: “what’s a derivative?” And my answer was “investing or calculus?” Apparently that was a filter for my wife when she dated. She wanted smart men who weren’t just faking it, wo…

I would be turned off by that filter, but then maybe your wife's not for me.

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Post by usrn »

jimbob45 wrote: post #381
aortega wrote: post #126

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I think you’ve nailed the central point here: men get stuck in the friend zone where they can’t have sex with a woman. However, women have the opposite problem where they get stuck in the fuck zone where the man only wants casual sex and doesn’t care about a romantic, emotional, or cohabitative relationship. Just because you’re getting Tinder matches doesn’t mean you’re finding the type of relationship you want. I se…

I'm not convinced the friend zone is real, I think some women are just fine being friends with people they don't want to have sex with. I've gotten out of the "friend zone" with multiple women I know.

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Post by qiskit »

fleddr wrote: post #134

"a 2006 study on online dating found that a man who is 5'6'' needs an additional $175,000 to be as desirable as a man who is approximately 6' tall and only makes $62,500 a year." I guess I appreciate the brutal honesty. Wealth and height. And not to forget social status, as one woman in the linked article explained how she broke up with a short guy because of what others (might) think of it. Not a word is wasted on a…

> Wealth and height.

That's been true for eternity. Men are attracted by youth and beauty, women by height and wealth. Is everyone in this thread an orphan raised by disney/media. Nobody had mothers, sisters, aunts, female cousins, friends, etc?

> That doesn't stop me from caring about the perverted mate selection dynamics of today that are downright cruel and throws good people aside as if trash.

Nobody gets thrown aside. Women may prefer tall/wealthy and men may prefer young/beautiful, but at the end of the day, everyone settles. Most short and/or poor men marry as do older and/or ugly women. Everybody wants to date the hot cheerleader but everybody can't. So they just accept reality and date someone else instead.

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Post by Crabber »

havelhovel wrote: post #363
stickfigure wrote: post #301

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Parent has a point. You can find any manner of horrible on twitter, especially if you reach back far enough. Twitter is not a "primary source" in the wikipedia sense.

Parent doesn’t have a point because they’re rejecting the reality of height discrimination and the language that perpetuates it. Pretending like this isn’t a thing isn’t constructive, and reinforces the original point that this wouldn’t be tolerated with respect to race.

>Pretending like this isn’t a thing isn’t constructive, and reinforces the original point that this wouldn’t be tolerated with respect to race.

You could just as easily go and find 20 tweets from 2014 of women saying they refuse to date black men. If you build your worldview by cherry picking the opinions of 20 twitter users out of 300 million and treating them as gospel then you can create any bleak reality you want.

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Post by peyton »

darkmarmot wrote: post #355
throw__away7391 wrote: post #194

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I'm a tad over 6' but girls are so used to guys lying about their hight that they usually say I'm 6'2". On multiple occasions I've had my date insist over my objection that I must be taller than that. It's not a stretch for me to imagine that widespread lying by men about their hight has actually collectively made the problem worse for men, e.g. women insisting on 6 feet because they've dating 5'10" guys claiming to…

So awkward. I'm just over 6'2" -- and at a recent family reunion had to deal with everyone saying I must be at _least_ 6'4". Because I was much taller than the other 6' guys there... and if I dispute it too vociferously, it's almost an attack on all the guys around me who are lying about their height. It seems there's a 2 or 3 inch bump across the board.

Yeah the bump breaks down around 6’3”.

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Post by kube-system »

rayiner wrote: post #367
handmodel wrote: post #199

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I am a 5'6 man. I still think a city is much better as I assume the 5'6 man has standards, too. It's not like finding a partner who is willing to settle with you is difficult at all - it is finding one that you feel meets your level of fitness, intelligence, and social status which is considered high (other than your height). In a rural setting you are going to be very limited but a city definitely has options. I wou…

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There are certainly liberal women in rural areas.

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Post by reverend_gonzo »

nosianu wrote: post #374
reverend_gonzo wrote: post #327

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I’m 5’8”, Asian, married to an American, and have a family, and I got all this after social networks and tinder, et al came along.

Funny. After the parent commenter says > Yes I know many data points that fall outside the curve too. But I'm talking about the curve. you respond with a data sample of 1. I have no idea who is right - assuming country=US in any case, since most of the data and experiences are from there - but come on.

> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future.

This is his claim. I call bullshit.

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Post by rectang »

daenz wrote: post #108
chrischen wrote: post #35

> “Don’t be so sure of yourself, short man!” The problem is that it's still socially acceptable to see short stature as some objective faux-pas. There's really no difference between a person proudly declaring they only like "white" people and a person declaring they only like "tall" people. If the guy said "Don't be so sure of yourself, black man" maybe it would have been acceptable in the 1920s, but it surely isn't…

Yep. Nobody wants to talk about it, but the amount of abuse that is directed from otherwise-socially-conscious women towards short men is pretty disgusting. It's extremely common for groups of women to laugh at and deride short men, both online and publicly in real life. It's eye-opening. (And before you ask, no I am not short, I've just witnessed the abuse first hand).

We'd be in a better place if we started from the assumption that everybody is prejudiced, it takes work for any of us to overcome it, and the work is never complete.

I've seen hypocrisy and cruelty from people of all backgrounds. But anecdotally, among the "socially conscious women" I've spent time around, this, which is one of three top comments on the article, is a common sentiment:

> This is a reminder that the patriarchy hurts everyone and men should be just as invested in destroying it as women.

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