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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by rabuse »

PierceJoy wrote: post #352
blast wrote: post #336

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As I understand it, the convoy was sparked by a decree that truckers crossing the US/Canada border would have to either be vaccinated or go into 14 days of quarantine. The latter would effectively take away the livelihood of anyone whose job involved doing that frequently. I don't think it's very useful to argue that taking away someone's livelihood isn't "force", or to argue that people are just "choosing" to lose t…

Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?

"Just learn to code bro" energy.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by landemva »

klyrs wrote: post #215
brokensegue wrote: post #93

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At least in the US lots of vaccines are mandated (of children) and it's not political.

I don't know what decade you were born in, but I have cousins aged 18 and 20 that have never been vaccinated because of their mom's political beliefs.

For their health when older, I hope they look into getting exposed to chicken pox ASAP.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwawaysea »

dang wrote: post #361
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We've banned this account for repeatedly and egregiously violating HN's guidelines. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Are you banning stirfish and bavent as well, who recently engaged with this account? It seems to me like most of their comments are low quality and trying to pick a fight with the person you just banned.

This parent comment (that you just replied to and banned the account for) felt somewhat useful. It is drawing a parallel to a prior SCOTUS nomination (Kavanaugh) and the unproven allegations that came out at a politically opportune moment to generate outrage. His point was that unethical political warfare invites a tit for tat back and forth that spirals into something worse.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by dang »

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It is coercion and I don't know how anyone can say otherwise. How does that boot taste?

Please keep personal attacks off this site. We ban accounts that do it and lord knows we've got enough flaming going on here already.

Your comment would be fine without that last sentence.

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by giaour »

alea_iacta_est wrote: post #314
giaour wrote: post #259

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Quarantines are not a novel or exotic public health measure. Try again. You specifically called out the government making you quit smoking or forcing you to eat better in your original post.

Lockdown and quarantine are very different. And it's you who mentionned "completely novel and exotic government actions", to which I point out that it's already happened with lockdowns. There's nothing in history that resemble what has happened in those last 2 years, whether you agree or not won't change that fact.

My dude, "nothing in history" is a very strong statement. You should read up about what state actors did to limit the spread of the plague. I'm sure someone could find something older, but lockdowns are attested to as a public health measure since at least ~500 BCE (whenever Leviticus was written).

I don't feel like you're engaging in good faith, so I'm going to go ahead and quit responding.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwawaysea »

PierceJoy wrote: post #263
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The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and declared an autonomous zone that claimed to secede from the country - and this is just from my city. GoFundMe happily allowed them to be funded while Facebook and Twitter happily allowed them to organize. Driving trucks and using the roads as they are meant to…

The vaccine isn’t being forced on anyone. Body autonomy is no more being violated here than any other time in history where vaccines have been required to do certain things, of which there are many examples. Not to mention, all the things you listed at the start of your comment have been done by the Ottawa occupiers. I don’t like to call them truckers because most are not, and most truckers are against this occupatio…

It is being forced. If you can experience significant losses or risks unless you comply, that’s being forced. You’re being disingenuous. It’s easy to see where this breaks down - per your logic a mobster running a protection racket isn’t forcing anyone to pay extortion money either.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by BeefWellington »

DeWilde wrote: post #173
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As a Canadian, it's been utterly shocking to watch our country crumble in the last few years. This summer I'll be moving away for good. In the last decade I've seen most of my family leave for the US due to the higher incomes. I always kept hope that maybe Canada would get better. It hasn't, it's gotten very bad. The insane level of immigration has eroded away any leverage the working class has. Now you see all that…

I've been looking to move to Canada (vs moving to US due to more sane social services like healthcare and pension system), is what you are describing present all over Canada or just in some parts of it?

My experience has been essentially the opposite of the person you're replying to.

Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Immediate care for actual emergencies, I've been seen right away. It's a triage system, so if you go to the emergency department at the hospital with the sniffles you could wait a bunch of hours.

Yes, there's a huge housing crisis and yes it's an area of concern. There's some issues here in that the real difference-makers are controlled by cities. There's a LOT of NIMBYism.

I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling"; just a lot of people pushing that narrative whenever they're despairing over their own fortunes. Could it be better? Absolutely.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

rabuse wrote: post #381
PierceJoy wrote: post #352

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Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?

"Just learn to code bro" energy.

You do know there are many more jobs in Canada than coding, right?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #356
PierceJoy wrote: post #352

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Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?

This vaccine uses a different technology than all previous vaccines. It bears almost nothing in common technologically with previous vaccines. As such extra skepticism is permissible.

This is just vaccine misinformation. Anti vaxxers will already have some excuse for why "this" vaccine is different.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #351
PierceJoy wrote: post #344

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Your comment already spoke volumes. Remember when conservatives used to talk about choices having consequences? Funny how they they don’t seem to like that concept when it’s inconvenient for them.

Choices do have consequences, but that does not mean those consequences are just, or that someone can just say those are the consequences take-it-or-suffer.

Like I said, we've had vaccine and testing requirements for many jobs for decades. No one lost their mind. You are being manipulated by right wing politicians.
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