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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by monort »

gavinray wrote: post #355
andrewxdiamond wrote: post #349

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I encourage you to apply occam's razor here. I don’t think any political entity has any interest in controlling what individuals post on a tiny website like HN.

Here is the post that has vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=29684814 > I don’t think any political entity has any interest in controlling what individuals post on a tiny website like HN. I wish I could pull a cached view of the comment up (I tried), there wasn't anything I would interpret as being inflammatory in there. The comment boiled down to: "VICE isn't what I'd call the most reputable/unbiased so…

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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by ganzuul »

topspin wrote: post #268
ganzuul wrote: post #159

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This is easy to understand. All the things you mention are issues that affect everybody. A better understanding of what it means to be man affects a very small percentage, so when when a govt looks past everything it should care about in order to mess with natural roles then it is really obvious that they are in the wrong.

What gymnastics would you have performed if the systemic oppression of Uyghurs had been in my list? Another sin largely ignored by the echo chamber, yet one that certainly does single out a minority. Shall we speculate on the relative population sizes of 'effeminate' Chinese men vs Uyghurs while further regressing into this rationalization of selective outrage?

None, because that issue is hotly contested. This issue is not contested; there is no denial from them on this issue. If they are doing something wrong they know that it is wrong. Meanwhile they think this is something they can get away with openly.

I hope this clears up the confusion. There is no selectivity here.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by jollybean »

izacus wrote: post #17
Abroszka wrote: post #9

Recently I have been getting a lot more annoyed about China. Sure they can ban things, it's their right. But I just don't understand why we are not doing the same.

You don't understand why your own nation isn't following the tantrums of a totalitarian regime? That would make your own nation into China, why the heck would you want that?!

Because trade only really works if there's balance and bilateral rules.

Opening your nation to trade, while the other does not, and does things like subsidize their companies to put yours out of business, is not good.

The US should probably play tit-for-tat and ban an arbitrary Chinese company for every US company banned by China.

That way, China understands at least the repressions.

Of course, that policy might not work, as it would just spiral up into a big 'ban fest', but you get the idea.

Banning games is a funny thing, people like games. People are going to be upset.

When people are playing games, they are not agitating.

When people are bored, they think about things like politics.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by jollybean »

darthrupert wrote: post #22
Abroszka wrote: post #9

Recently I have been getting a lot more annoyed about China. Sure they can ban things, it's their right. But I just don't understand why we are not doing the same.

To put it bluntly: Because we're better than them.

No, that's not it at all.

Trade is a serious issue, it has consequences.

If China banned most US companies, the US would have to ban most Chinese companies.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by chrischen »

legofr wrote: post #85
foverzar wrote: post #36

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I really love how we all have an impression of China as a country without access to global internet, but then there are things like "Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead". Really makes you want to visit and see how this actually works for yourself. The more I read about China, the more unbelievably contradictive it gets.

I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see, like VICE did in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ That being said, if you go then please try to walk into a random h…

I’m ethnically Chinese. While I speak a little I am still mistaken for a foreigner since I often hire a translator and I traveled extensively through China throughout the last 2 decades to many places both remote and urban on a US passport. Never had a problem with hotels (though mostly booked online) nor staying at relatives/friends houses, nor anything blatantly authoritarian besides my internet bring blocked (which I got around using a SOCKS proxy).

I was also part of an Obama administration sponsored group of Americans sent to China for an entrepreneurship exchange trip and I think more Americans should be sent to China to learn about it rather than reading biased second hand accounts over the internet. While it was a guided and escorted tour, we were also allowed to freely wander the cities in some of the evenings. It would go a long way to ease tensions and reduce enmity between the two nations if there was more genuine cultural interaction instead of spooky observations from afar. People tend to exaggerate and boogeyman what they don’t know and understand.

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Post by rvba »

powerapple wrote: post #309
legofr wrote: post #85

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I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see, like VICE did in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ That being said, if you go then please try to walk into a random h…

It is true. The reason is that only hotels with passport verification system can accept foreign guests (all hotels have a system connected to police department to verify national id), most hotels only have a small national id verification system (because it was cheaper I guess), only some 4 star and 5 star hotels have these. I had once tried to use my passport to stay in a hotel, they didn't allow me then I learnt ab…

Probably only the bigger hotels have an agent of ministry of state security on premises.

You should assume that you get a bugged room too.

Russians did it in the 80s, even easier now.

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

_tik_ wrote: post #358
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #310

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> I see the propaganda of China, Russia as well as the one of the US and Europe. This is a huge false equivalence. You won't see Chinese citizens publicly in favor of US/Europe but you will damn well see it the other way around. E.g., some of my coworkers genuinely think it is ok for China to ban Western companies in the name of harmony but the US introducing the slightest of regulations is seen as fascism. A discuss…

I though US maintains list of black listed companies

You really think the cases are equivalent?

TikTok is allowed unabated in the US. Twitter is blocked in China.

This sort of false equivalency discussion is getting really annoying. Even Hacker News is partly blocked in China.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20600787

If the US follows China's policies symmetrically, a ton more companies would be blacklisted.

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Post by inopinatus »

inopinatus wrote: post #172
manuelabeledo wrote: post #128

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Awful homophobic comment.

On the contrary it’s a fabulous comment.

adding: that was before the poster edited their need about being ready to get hard with other men whilst listening to Pat Benatar.

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Post by hker »

lucian1900 wrote: post #356
enkid wrote: post #35

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Sorry, I trust BBC more than I trust you about what is not allowed in China's heavy controlled internet. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855

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The level of propaganda (censorship and sponsorship) of the West (BBC, CNN, etc., if that could be called propaganda) is nowhere comparable to the level of propaganda in China (CGTN, CCTV, etc.), and this is the reason that generally the West has free press while China does not.

See my other comment [1] for some pointers to the level of propaganda (censorship and sponsorship) in China (e.g., police tracking journalists and deleting photos for no reasons, sponsoring YouTubers with special arrangements), which clearly has no equivalent in the West.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29685703

This is why people generally trust BBC, but not media in China.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by chrischen »

xerxesaa wrote: post #329
demonshreder wrote: post #294

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Facing discrimination when you are foreigner is pretty common in most countries. I think if you are from the white diaspora you wouldn't have noticed in the western countries but every time a friend (I am from India) goes to countries in NA & EU, there is almost always some form of discrimination preventing access to service or being overcharged without legal intervention.

I've been to many hotels across the United States and Europe over a number of years in cities of all sizes and can honestly say have never even felt the remote possibility of being denied a room. Also Indian/Pakistani. Edit: to be clear, I'm not trying to deny your own experience or making any accusations here. I'm just presenting the other side and clarifying that I don't feel it's a universal experience.

America has its own class of problems that get exaggerated or overblown, such as how dangerous it is.
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