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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by _-david-_ »

freeflight wrote: post #259
yodsanklai wrote: post #119

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I didn't read the comments but 1. it could be flooded with pro cpp activists, it's a known fact that China pays people to influence forums 2. It may be difficult to understand for Americans, but (I think) some people here are "pro-china" as they see China as an alternative to US imperialism, or at least something that can be less harmful. Personally, my wife is Taiwanese so I'm extremely concerned about China in a ve…

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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by _-david-_ »

the_af wrote: post #150
siva7 wrote: post #25

What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists

Can you provide some examples of this alleged "flood of pro CCP activists" in this comments section? I'm reading some minor disagreements. Is this activism in your worldview?

Anytime someone says the CCP there is a post saying the west does the same thing. It is tiring since we aren't talking about the west.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by jquery »

the_af wrote: post #213
Lendal wrote: post #201

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Please provide one example in this comments section. Ideally many, since an alleged "flood" cannot be composed of a single drop, but a single example would also suffice. Please don't refer obliquely to some "situation", be specific. The example must convince me that the person you're quoting is indeed engaging in "activism" for the CCP and not merely expressing their opinion. Otherwise, if you can't provide these exa…

Many of them are dead comments, already. I don’t think there’s a flood, myself, but rather heterogeneous opinions largely based on whether China’s dictatorship is viewed as a positive alternative to American imperialism.

Having lived in both countries myself, I’d prefer America 10 times out of 10, but that wasn’t always the case. Xi in particular has been a terrible thing for China. Imagine if Trump became dictator (and was a decade younger). That’s Xi. He’s made the country more racist and closed off in every way. It’s a tragedy to see.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by izacus »

legofr wrote: post #112
izacus wrote: post #17

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You don't understand why your own nation isn't following the tantrums of a totalitarian regime? That would make your own nation into China, why the heck would you want that?!

We wouldn't be turning into China if we only banned Chinese companies, if we only blacklisted/punished western companies that spread CCP propaganda (nine-dash line, calling Taiwan a province of China, etc). To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations.

> To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations.

It is also a basis of the most bloody and destructive wars in the world. Are you hoping that this time US wins again?

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by jquery »

whimsicalism wrote: post #155
philliphaydon wrote: post #132

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> We love China too, just not the communist party. I lived in singapore for 10 years until recently moving to Taiwan, this is basically the view of everyone from China I met. “I love China but I hate the government, that’s why I left” It’s a shame because the actions of the CCP are making people blame Chinese people. But the majority of people from China that I’ve met are awesome.

Well yeah, you're self selecting for people who a. Left China b. Are talking to a foreigner about politics CCP maintains considerable support among the mainland population.

Some in the mainland population are smart enough not to give their real opinions. It’s not safe unless you no longer live in China (and even then, it’s not safe, as the government can retaliate against the person’s family).

I don’t doubt that the CCP maintains considerable support, but considering they control the media, that’s less impressive than you think it is.

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Post by Paradigma11 »

lmz wrote: post #179
polotics wrote: post #91

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That is one big false équivalence. The mistreatment of minorities by the CCP is not the same thing as the mistreatment of minorities by the USA. Or did I miss the news about the black lives matter forced sterilisations?

You missed the part where the USA killed off most of the native population of its western side and drove them off their lands, yes. Different times, but maybe that's just the thing to do to get to superpower status and China's just catching up.

Nah, its just getting less publicity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

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Post by coolspot »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #276
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #162

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> If that's gone, I'm going to have a hard time not making the CCP my mortal enemy Wouldn't be a bad choice, regardless of what happens with Steam.

The Chinese government != the Chinese people. Whenever geopolitics separates artists from their audiences, it’s just sad. It’s in a similar vein of when total war is waged; the governments talk a big game but it’s the common, every day people who suffer. If you have an axe to grind be advised to make sure it’s targeted at the right people.

> The Chinese government != the Chinese people

Are they controlled by aliens from the space? The government people come from the people, it’s same culture/mentality.

You can make whole CCP government disappear and new wave of similar people will replace them setting same rules.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by xerxesaa »

demonshreder wrote: post #294
alisonatwork wrote: post #151

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Both. I have been refused access to a place because the landlord was openly racist and didn't want to rent to me after she found out I was a foreigner. There is pretty much no recourse for foreigners who are victims of racism in China, it's an extremely racist country. When you're a foreigner you just kinda have to accept that there are people who will cross the street or shield their kids when they see you, loudly c…

Facing discrimination when you are foreigner is pretty common in most countries. I think if you are from the white diaspora you wouldn't have noticed in the western countries but every time a friend (I am from India) goes to countries in NA & EU, there is almost always some form of discrimination preventing access to service or being overcharged without legal intervention.

I've been to many hotels across the United States and Europe over a number of years in cities of all sizes and can honestly say have never even felt the remote possibility of being denied a room. Also Indian/Pakistani.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not trying to deny your own experience or making any accusations here. I'm just presenting the other side and clarifying that I don't feel it's a universal experience.

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Post by thoughtstheseus »

jquery wrote: post #324
the_af wrote: post #213

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Please provide one example in this comments section. Ideally many, since an alleged "flood" cannot be composed of a single drop, but a single example would also suffice. Please don't refer obliquely to some "situation", be specific. The example must convince me that the person you're quoting is indeed engaging in "activism" for the CCP and not merely expressing their opinion. Otherwise, if you can't provide these exa…

Many of them are dead comments, already. I don’t think there’s a flood, myself, but rather heterogeneous opinions largely based on whether China’s dictatorship is viewed as a positive alternative to American imperialism. Having lived in both countries myself, I’d prefer America 10 times out of 10, but that wasn’t always the case. Xi in particular has been a terrible thing for China. Imagine if Trump became dictator (…

Xi is driving the PRC down a dangerous and escalatory path path. Nuclear weapons, controlling critical tech, economic punishments, etc. Very few expected it because it was not needed. Deng through Hu made enormous strides in nearly all areas for China. Xi has turned away from that.
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