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Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Individually, we must build alternatives and don’t give up and if it works out, don’t sell out. Look at lichess.org, it’s possible.

"Don't sell out" is nice and easy until someone slaps fifty million dollars on the table.

I'd like to say that if I was already experiencing good growth as a founder, and financially comfortable, I'd be disinclined to take the offer.

If the company is already going down and someone wants the IP, whatever.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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laws are for the poor

Laws are for the poorly connected. But you'll get more internet virtue points phrasing it your way.

Neither of you has enough money or connections to truly understand anything.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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individually we need to stop working for unethical companies we are the ones building these tools, reading these articles / comments sections, and talking with our colleagues and friends working on developing these products we just have to accept that our takehome might not be as large at the end of the pay-cycle. feels better spending it tho :)

"individually we need to stop working for unethical companies" Has there been a single case in history where this worked? has this been an issue for drug gangs, mafia, loan sharks, tobacco, alcohol or gun companies or any kind of evil organisation, ever? If not, maybe we should stop parroting it?

> drug gangs, mafia, loan sharks, tobacco, alcohol or gun companies or any kind of evil organisation

it is easier to come up with manageable solutions when you don't try to conflate the mafia with a search engine, or Beretta with a social network

don't search for a one-size-fits-all solution or it will seem impossible; focus on one at a time

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Funny how we learned precisely none of this from that so-called "Facebook whistleblower" two weeks ago. Looking at her Twitter, she doesn't seem to have anything to say about it. How strange! Instead, she's just shilling against encryption: https://nitter.net/FrancesHaugen/status/1452362024856559616

Facebook is not some scrappy startup where few employees know everything.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Incentivize the economy to not overproduce bullshit ad nauseam. Vote with your wallet, and push for it culturally, or spiritually - offer alternative experiences and goals to consumerism. Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for, which are made for “economic growth” as a goal in it self. (If your factual constraints allow for it.) As long as there is this enormous pressure to sell you ever more…

What if buying useless shit gives certain people some enjoyment and happiness? If nobody bought anything what would we do for money?

What is useful / useless can be subjective, but remember big companies are trying to manipulate to get people addicted to their stuff be it sugary foods, internet gambling (inc. crypto), tech gadgets, alcohol or whatever.

If no one bought useless shit (again what is that?) and just got say long lasting furniture, decent food, shelter etc, you’d have a situation where everyone could live based on fewer hours of work most likely. What to do with the time? If bored then volunteer? Talk to your family and friends? Hobbies?

There is plenty of economy outside of useless shit. I don’t see how we can get around needing police/fire/hospitals/defence/research/science etc.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Incentivize the economy to not overproduce bullshit ad nauseam. Vote with your wallet, and push for it culturally, or spiritually - offer alternative experiences and goals to consumerism. Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for, which are made for “economic growth” as a goal in it self. (If your factual constraints allow for it.) As long as there is this enormous pressure to sell you ever more…

"Vote with your wallet" might as well be "stop thinking about it", especially when it comes to a niche site like Hacker News.

Marketing said I need to lead with libertarian virtue signaling before playing The Internationale on HN.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Incentivize the economy to not overproduce bullshit ad nauseam. Vote with your wallet, and push for it culturally, or spiritually - offer alternative experiences and goals to consumerism. Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for, which are made for “economic growth” as a goal in it self. (If your factual constraints allow for it.) As long as there is this enormous pressure to sell you ever more…

What if buying useless shit gives certain people some enjoyment and happiness? If nobody bought anything what would we do for money?

Lol. If nobody buys anything, why would you need money?

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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I don’t believe you. Landfills rapidly filling with last year’s “innovation“ and people getting increasingly dissatisfied with their jobs, because they lost touch with the actual product they are allegedly working on, should be an indication on a larger scale… Apart from all those wonders of petrol-chemistry, like fast-fashion: Short smartphone cycles with minuscule improvements; Uber and food delivery services offer…

Google doesn't sell scooters and food delivery -- other companies do, and advertise about that via Google. Google's ads service is something those companies (the advertisers) want. And at the same time, Google has been acting unethically.

Not sure what you are trying to tell me.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Needs of all. What is an example of a mutually exclusive need?

I need my privacy to be respected. Google et al. would beg to differ. A certain debit card company needs people to overdraft and pay back their accounts to take profit. The overdrafter's need the card issuer to not lock them out or overpenalize so they can try to get out of dire financial straits. The U.S. wants a fair, just legal system. Prosecutors and law enforcement need the slack to focus on only pursuing "the w…

The needs of these organizations are not needs of human beings, but of systems created by humans. If they don't serve the needs of all, then they don't follow the principle. What you're describing is what I refer to as strategies, not needs.

Here's some clarification:

https://www.letsbramble.com/blog/needs-vs-strategies

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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"individually we need to stop working for unethical companies" Has there been a single case in history where this worked? has this been an issue for drug gangs, mafia, loan sharks, tobacco, alcohol or gun companies or any kind of evil organisation, ever? If not, maybe we should stop parroting it?

> drug gangs, mafia, loan sharks, tobacco, alcohol or gun companies or any kind of evil organisation it is easier to come up with manageable solutions when you don't try to conflate the mafia with a search engine, or Beretta with a social network don't search for a one-size-fits-all solution or it will seem impossible; focus on one at a time

The solution proposed fits nothing, as far as I can tell you might as well try exorcism.
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