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Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

baby wrote: post #276
mabbo wrote: post #189

I quit Amazon 3 weeks ago after nearly a decade. Work from home was one of the biggest reasons. In my view, the personality traits that are conducive to promotion up the Amazon leadership ladder are strongly aligned with loving work-from-office. Most people L10 and higher not only don't understand the desire for permanent work from home, I think maybe they cannot understand it. It's just too foreign to many of them.…

I have this theory that one of the contributing factors to the "I don't want to go to the office" trend in the US (which I'm part of), is that cities are also not made for commuting. Coming from Europe, where public transport is really practical, and cities are built for density, your commute is often much less cumbersome AND you can enjoy some social life after work since you're in the city. Here (the bay) it was ju…

I lived in Lausanne and my commute was non trivial (EPFL is on the edge of Lausanne in the middle of a huge field, no housing nearby, even student housing was at least one stop away). I lived in LA and my commute was just two blocks, a 3 minute walk (got an apartment in Westwood next to UCLA). So I guess my experience is a bit different.

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Post by renewiltord »

zz865 wrote: post #240
vesuvianvenus wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty pay >$250k remotely and in large cities such as SF and NYC-- For Engineers, Managers/Executives (Eng, Mktg, other), Salespeople, etc. You just have to ask for it. If you're unfamiliar, join TeamBlind.com A company sent me roles at $125k recently. I wrote them back with a polite variation of "heck no, my rate is $250k". I'm currently quite broke-- $5k to my name (too many sabbaticals, plus only recently paid of…

250k I'm on already, its going up from there is the hard part.

Put your email in your profile. I can do much better.

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Post by 8note »

NotAnOtter wrote: post #233

As someone on the inside: the title is mostly BS. They are pushing the decision from the L10+ level to the L7/L8 level. But we all know behind the scenes, L7/L8 will be pushed to behave a certain way. If it was truly their choice, those with a strict policy would bleed engineers to the directors with more lax policies, Amazon would not accidentally create a free market within their own company. This is a deflection o…

Idk if im just at a good org, but I expect my whole management chain doesn't care, and will let my team decide what works well for us.

Also, amazon definitely makes free markets within the company. When I accepted the offer, multiple teams pitched on which team to join. Plus, OPs is different by team, as are opportunities to work on promotion worthy stuff (well, at least once you get to sde3)

Standard disclaimer: opinions are my own

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

vineyardmike wrote: post #183
taurath wrote: post #7

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Really curious why only within country? Security reasons? Also why 4 weeks? Just to be available for meetings? I find it funny that this is the American version of a nice holiday - go pay money to rent an Airbnb so you can work in a different environment.

> I find it funny that this is the American version of a nice holiday - go pay money to rent an Airbnb so you can work in a different environment. It's not. BUT its a nice way to get a change of scenery without burning holiday time.

Or support your kid in that overseas one month study program. There are a lot of interesting things you can do here with flexible working arrangements.

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Post by 8note »

KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

The common pattern across various L8 all hands ive been in is that we all want to have fairly regular planning and design sessions in person, then go home to get the implementation done.

I think the "withing a day's notice" mirrors that, and that the fully remote days will keep growing and growing and growing to match being in the office for ~3 days every 2 weeks. Occasionally more if you need to do lots of in office work, and said in office work could come up at random.

Before the pandemic most of my team at amazon was already WFH about half time, answer were trying to work out how to make sure the right people are in at the same time together

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

BSOhealth wrote: post #168

I’m on the opposite side of many folks responding. After spending the quarantine at home through the pandemic, I’m now looking at HCOL cities which headquarter big tech or startups (SF, NYC, Seattle, Austin). I’d love to spend time in a posh office again, meeting new people, getting drinks after work. Now, I have everything I need in one room: computer, weights, instruments, art supplies, dog, etc. TBH, I’m crossing…

Actually, if you are willing to move to a lower cost upcoming satellite office location (like say Raleigh), your strategy might work better. Positions in those new offices are ramping up and they are specifically looking for people to fill those offices.

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Post by newsorpigal »

Amazon employee here: this title is very generous. In fact this could easily go the other way because they removed the 2-day-at-home guarantee. Now it's up to your L8. He can force his entire org back to the office if he wants to.

If we're told to go back, then I'm looking for an internal transfer to an org with a more reasonable director or even a new job. WFH has been a huge boon to my quality of life.

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Post by 8note »

boulos wrote: post #364
KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

I wonder about the definition of "easily travel [...] within a day's notice". I've hopped on a plane to LA in the afternoon from San Francisco same day... is this just about "how willing are you to book a last-minute flight?" or is it "do you live near enough a major airport?" (Plus the usual "travel and abandon your family at a moment's notice"). I feel like if you're committed to "I wish to live in Toronto, while m…

We(seattle team) had an SLC team member for a bit, and it was pretty rough. Even Phoenix partner teams are a huge pain since lunch time overlaps so much
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