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Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by loeg »

discodave wrote: post #99
ashtonkem wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There must be a bonus that's not properly represented on levels.fyi, because Amazon's cash compensation is pretty poor compared even to some non-FAANG companies.

Yes. Amazon offer generally gives you roughly the same "total compensation" for the first 4 years, assuming that the stock price doesn't change much. So if they're trying to pay you 300k per year, then you get 160k salary, ~140k starting bonus each of the first two years, and ~300k of stock that mostly vests in years 3 and 4.

> assuming that the stock price doesn't change much.

Their current offers are actually scaled on the assumption their stock grows 15% annually, I think.

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Post by UweSchmidt »

teh_infallible wrote: post #51
jorblumesea wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing to add on is that Amazon is having a hard time recruiting, at least anecdotally from friends who work there. Between their reputation as a company and hot job market, filling some senior level eng roles has become near impossible.

A recruiter contacted me one for a position at Amazon, and I straight up said I will never work there because of the way they treat their employees. (Probably burned a bridge with that recruiter, but oh well)

It's not possible to burn a bridge with a recruiter, these are 'salespeople' who get many no's per day and have pressure to perform.

A recruiter call doesn't mean a company has interest in a candidate. It just means the Amazon job description and your resume both included the word JAVA.

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Post by plebianRube »

dangerwill wrote: post #152
Jyaif wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that they are hiring across the world for their Vancouver office.

Yep can confirm, got multiple Amazon Vancouver specific recruiters in my inbox last month, and I'm in Ireland

I replied back to one of these and explained that due to their anti-union actions, and they way they treat employees, I would never be interested in working there, no matter the salary. I thankfully have never received any more of their spam.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by kodah »

My company said they'd let people work remotely, but based on my observations from friends on other teams and my own, this is more of a last resort. If you're going to quit and are not a lead engineer, then they'll offer you remote. If they can't fill a position in a timely manner, then they'll start looking remote.

My takeaway is that maybe the C-Suite has been convinced, but now you need to convince line-managers and the like.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by jackson1442 »

jedberg wrote: post #77

> as long as they are able to commute to the office when necessary This is they key right here. Basically you still have to live within a few hours drive of Seattle or Palo Alto, or even less depending on your patience. Still better than five days a week in the office though!

Or Austin, Denver, DC, etc. There are a lot of Amazon offices and from what I’ve heard this has always been expected of their fully-remote employees.

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Post by asdff »

kodah wrote: post #156
asdff wrote: post #149

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I'm surprised that's your experience to be fair. Mid sized cities like Columbus or St. Louis's downtown effectively shuts down at 5pm in my experience. All those tall buildings are offices, most of the restaurants around them serve business people and don't offer dinner service and close after the workday. Night life is in other neighborhoods adjacent, but not in downtown.

St Louis and Columbus are much bigger than the towns I'm thinking of. The two towns are basically suburbs with a downtown area. I was able to bike to both of them from my house. In my favorite of the two there were two restaurants that offered dinner service and were owned by locals. Everything else was chain restaurants and they all offered dinner and late night/bar services.

Yeah if there isn't a ton of office space downtowns seem a lot more lively, since businesses stay open outside of 9-5 and people might actually live closer by. Even lower manhattan is considered a dead area after hours due to all the offices and not a lot of other businesses and housing to draw demand outside of 9-5 m-f.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

teh_infallible wrote: post #51
jorblumesea wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing to add on is that Amazon is having a hard time recruiting, at least anecdotally from friends who work there. Between their reputation as a company and hot job market, filling some senior level eng roles has become near impossible.

A recruiter contacted me one for a position at Amazon, and I straight up said I will never work there because of the way they treat their employees. (Probably burned a bridge with that recruiter, but oh well)

I probably burned a bridge with Activision-Blizzard a few years ago. They contacted me about a potential job, and I said "When I was earning my degree, I dreamed of working for Blizzard. But then earlier this year, you announced record profits, and then only a couple days later announced the lay-off of over 800 workers. No thank you."

And considering their current controversies, my opinion on working for them has not changed.

If they ever contacted me again, I'd probably just laugh.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by BSOhealth »

I’m on the opposite side of many folks responding. After spending the quarantine at home through the pandemic, I’m now looking at HCOL cities which headquarter big tech or startups (SF, NYC, Seattle, Austin). I’d love to spend time in a posh office again, meeting new people, getting drinks after work. Now, I have everything I need in one room: computer, weights, instruments, art supplies, dog, etc.

TBH, I’m crossing my fingers employers will prioritize folks willing to work in the office to compensate for my lack of pedigree in other hiring/HR attention areas.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by kixiQu »

mxmel wrote: post #154
sharkweek wrote: post #6

I live in Seattle and thus a notable percentage of my social circle works at Amazon. The folks I know who work there were almost entirely all prepared to quit if the company forced their initial "everyone back in the office" requirement, especially in this current job market. It feels rare to see Amazon ever make a change to such a publicly stated policy like this, I can only imagine that the groundswell of feedback…

After reading the article it’s not clear why this is a change to such a publicly stated policy. The only thing that has changed is that the directors have discretion to choose how many days in the office will be required for teams. The headline is extremely misleading.

Because they'd publicly sworn to SLU businesses that they were going to be dragging employees back.

Re: Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefinitely

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Post by kevinsundar »

jon-wood wrote: post #22
KallDrexx wrote: post #2

From the blog post > At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who ca…

How disorganised does a team need to be that they need to call meetings so involved they can only be done in-person with less than 24 hour’s notice? This isn’t a genuine business requirement, it’s just management wanting to remind everyone that they’re on a leash which can be yanked whenever they like.

Pretty sure facebook needed to do this last week :)

It's important for large companies to still have some way of getting people together quickly to solve problems. That's hard if people in are different timezones.

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