The fact that (a big part of) HN crowd does not understand Right to Repair is - shocking!
Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
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Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff. Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. This fix is only inferior to Tesla because it exposed a design flaw and removed their chance to massively overcharge for a tiny repair.
> Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. Cries in England where domestic water can be as low as 10 psi and sometimes won't even reach the top of your house and you have to go downstairs to get water...
You could use a booster pump + accumulator system to get constant pressure.
Pretty cheap and easy to install.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booste...
Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
#383Pretty sure, you loose the right to repair when you are leasing something, as all lease agreements for vehicles I've seen have direct stipulations on the requirements, and penalties of performing and not performing maintenance and repair to their vehicle. I fully support right to repair YOUR PROPERTY, but I also support as part of that, that if the car is owned by Tesla, they have the right to dictate maintenance req…
You're supposed to perform scheduled maintenance. You are generally not limited in which mechanic you use. A mechanic will simply look in the service manual (or owner's manual if you've kept that in the glove box) on a particular model if you bring it to them and say "I need a 30k mile maintance"
Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which also means that OP shouldn't be on the hook for repairs unless it's due to negligence. And even IF OP is on the hook they should be able to choose how to repair it, as long as it fits NHTSA/DMV/whatever code.
It is mentioned in the article that the person was actually driving without the right insurance due to an error when moving his policy from his old to his new car so while it sucks, the liability is not with Tesla nor should it considering the consumer made the error.
> due to an error when moving his policy from his old to his new car
Where does it say that?
> without the right insurance
Not having that coverage isn't objectively wrong, and it shouldn't mean you lose tons of money because you can't choose the mechanic.
Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here[1] is the customer explaining the insurance more thoroughly. [1] https://youtu.be/vVSw3KSevEc?t=406
This is the second time in as many days I've heard about this happening. Someone gets a new car, replaces the old one on their insurance, while accidentally retaining the prior car's coverages (or lack thereof). The other one I heard of was similar -- someone went from an old beater car to a new Tesla. The old car only had liability coverage and no collision/comprehensive and they didn't change this when replacing th…
Also a related issue: often it's a good idea to get the gap insurance so that if the car gets totalled and you still owe more than the replacement cost, you don't get hit with a bill.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a stretch to describe road debris hitting the undercarriage of a car a "collision". You should expect a vehicle to be engineered so that small objects hitting the undercarriage don't cause significant damage. Making subassemblies replaceable in part rather than in whole is definitely a bonus. When they're only replaceable in whole, I do consider it deficient engineering, especially if a small change would make i…
From Merriam-Webster: Definition of collide intransitive verb 1 : to come together with solid or direct impact https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collide Its a stretch to describe road debris coming together with solid impact to the undercarriage a collision?
Important words in contracts are usually defined in the contract itself. "Collision" is almost certainly defined in any automobile insurance contract you purchase. If you can read code, you can (and should!) read the contracts you sign, especially contracts that could pay you money.
Relying on the dictionary alone can mislead you.
Here's the pertinent definition from my policy (USAA specifically):
"Collision" means the impact with an object and includes upset of a vehicle. Loss caused by the following is covered under Comprehensive Coverage and is not considered collision: fire; missiles or falling objects; hail, water or flood; malicious mischief or vandalism; theft or larceny; riot or civil commotion; explosion orearthquake; contact with bird or animal; windstorm; or breakage of window glassRe: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the second time in as many days I've heard about this happening. Someone gets a new car, replaces the old one on their insurance, while accidentally retaining the prior car's coverages (or lack thereof). The other one I heard of was similar -- someone went from an old beater car to a new Tesla. The old car only had liability coverage and no collision/comprehensive and they didn't change this when replacing th…
Self-service portal should catch this too. It’s neglect on the insurers side. They have superior information on what is normal and customary and can flag unusual policies for confirmation.
I just got a new car, the dealership handled the insurance transfer. It was on us to separately verify current vs. desired coverage separately. Not sure this is the norm though.
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#388This is a design flaw. I wonder what other shameful design decisions were put in place to cut corners. Kind of glad I canceled a Tesla pre-order. I really hope other EV companies are learning from Tesla’s mistakes. From the lack of customer service from a maintenance aspect to poor repairability, that sort of reputation will stick with a company for a very long time. Going to run my current ICE to the ground until th…
It happens all the time, I recently had a crack in a seal around the fuel pump, but it was all one piece so I needed a new fuel pump. It's also a 12 year old car, has had only 1 other minor problem, and the pump was a cheap fix, so I don't feel I got ripped off on that particular repair.
Manufacturers could do a much better job on this kind of thing, but not everything can be completely modular, and even if that was practical from a design perspective, the labor involved could often outweigh the cost of replacing the thing.
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mate, your talking about a brass nipple being threaded into a broken plastic part to replace a plastic reducer that was [probably] poorly ultrasonic welded in place. What I see in the article is a common sense repair. Anyone who turns a wrench is laughing at the Tesla fanboy pearl clutching over this. Not an attack on your post btw, just a general statement that every Tesla owner comes out of the cracks in these post…
Tesla stockholders, not Tesla owners, but yes.
It took a while to realize irrational defenses of Elon Musk/Tesla and down voting nearly anything negative about either were tied to the large number of people here who have invested significant sums in the stock and not so much a cult of personality.
Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Another question to consider is why the repair is 16k. Does is actually cost Tesla that much or do they just quote that much because they are realistically the only ones who can fix it so they can charge the price? The quote is to replace the whole battery pack so I really doubt that they are making a profit on it since it's one of the actually expensive part of the car. As GP pointed out this is hardly right to re…
Not only did they quote a whole battery pack for this simple repair, but the guy should have the right to keep the 'broken' battery pack (as a backup after he got it repaired) since he is buying a new one for full price. But tesla was refusing that as well.
Especially since the used battery pack would likely fetch 11k+ on ebay.