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>We spent decades trying to get rid of cigarettes We spent decades trying to get rid of carcinogens from cigarettes. What's the problem with cigarettes without carcinogens?
It's like the people who think smoking a cigarette or Juul is one of the seven deadly sins, but also smoke pot every day and see no problem with it.
Scientism has become the state religion and companies are paying for indulgences. At least they made it open access. At first I thought they bought out the entire issue so that people couldn't read it.
Capitalism, an economic tool (and a useful one), has become state religion and now capitalists control everything.
> Juul’s dominance dissipated around the time that over a thousand people contracted a mysterious vaping-related sickness in the fall of 2019, and state and federal regulators started to investigate the company’s blatantly obvious marketing to teenagers. Surely as hell I support investigating marketing to teenagers but in this case it would seem to me more adequate if they would rather investigate the cases of the si…
I think the case was closed on the vaping sickness, as it was attributed to black-market THC vapes using vitamin E oil to thicken their otherwise diluted distillate to give the illusion of a higher quality product. It's too late for the PR damage to be undone to vapes in general.
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For business? Absolutely
Also bad for the people who might benefit from the product even though it didn't help a statistically significant portion of people in an expensive clinical trial.
Why do people have to stick their noses in things that don’t affect them?
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> fear mongering about children juuling. Why is that fear-mongering? My anecdotal evidence is that it's rampant with teens. Do you have any stats that are not anecdotal so I can educate myself?
When I was growing up all the teens were smoking and drinking. Considering how bad we know alcohol and cigarettes are for a developing brain, I'm inclined to not panic over the newest trend.
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It was rampant with teens, but then we "fixed" things. They went back to cigarettes. Mission accomplished I guess.
Cigarettes are hard to covertly hit at school/home. They leave the person with a very distinctive stink. They are hard to buy online and damn near impossible for a minor to buy in person. With only 13% of adults smoking they aren't available to be swiped in most households and taxes in many places make those who do smoke liable to notice them walking out the door. Many places its about $10 a pack. Furthermore it is m…
I once knew an adult smoker who smoked about 1/2 a pack a day. She also didn’t want to smell like it, he had methods she employed that would leave absolutely no smell on her.
If your kid wants to hide smoking analogs then they can easily, just stand in front of a fan and wash your hands and face after.
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If only we would work on the real health issues in this country (world?) and start looking at what is being put into our foods. We largely only went after smoking because of its externalities. There is no such thing as second-hand sugar, sadly.
Because there are other health issues, we should ignore this one? Smoking is a leading cause of death, so it's not insignificant.
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Yes, it is a smoking cessation product. It helps you cease smoking. Vaping is not smoking.
Ok, so it's a smoking cessation product if you take the definition strictly - but it doesn't do anything to get you off your nicotine addiction, which people usually mean by "smoking cessation product"...
I do.
> but it doesn't do anything to get you off your nicotine addiction, which people usually mean by "smoking cessation product"...
OK but what does this have to do with expressing ourselves accurately?
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I suppose in a very literal sense, if you replace addiction A with addiction B, you could say that B is an A cessation product. But by that logic, smoking could be called a weight loss product. Other people have a more complex definition, which precludes cigarettes from being considered a health product, despite their appetite-suppressing properties.
> smoking could be called a weight loss product And it was! The difference is that smoking isn't really healthier than obesity, so it's not a very good way to lose weight overall.
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> smoking could be called a weight loss product And it was! The difference is that smoking isn't really healthier than obesity, so it's not a very good way to lose weight overall.
If you can drop 100+ lbs by smoking half a pack a day, I guarantee you'll be a lot healthier overall. Not saying you actually _would_ lose all that weight, but it's not like it's a binary between "smoking" and "not smoking". Frequency and amount matters, but the it's pretty much impossible to approach the subject in our society with any sort of objectivity or science.