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CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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Why is this post so downvoted? It seems that antigovernment sentiment is not popular here It’s not only that but also all that “crypto is not technologically interesting and it’s just Ponzi scheme!”. There are so many interesting and unique things there. You can mix cryptography, finance, etc. into endless amount of protocols. Here is some interesting ideas in crypto: decentralized stable coin (dai), automatic market…

> Why is this post so downvoted? Oddly, HN is over all rather closed minded about cryptocurrencies/blockchain. I can understand being jaded at all the bitcoin maximalist out there that are frankly ignorant or even just being generally weary about the idea of such currencies... but it seems like the general sentiment is very negative in almost every thread with very minimal understanding of cryptocurrencies or frankly…

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Commodities and future contracts on them have been around for a while now.

On your wine cellar?

Goldman Sachs did it years ago.

https://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-accepted-fine-wine-a...

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>At some point you need to convert your crypto gains back to fiat to actually use it Except you don't. It's a currency. Just because it's hot right now and people are treating it like an investment doesn't change the fact that it's a currency itself. You don't need to convert it to anything. It was literally built to be a currency free from bank/government control. That was the whole point. The sole criterion for the…

Okay, sure, let's consider it a currency for the sake of argument. I would posit that if I can't easily exchange my crypto into a form that I can use to pay taxes with, or buy groceries with, that it's a useless currency, and so people will be able to but won't want to accept it in a trade. Currencies aren't useful simply because they _can_ be traded, they're useful because they _can_ be trusted.

The whole point of crypto is that you don't have to trust them. I swear the HN crowd is so dense it's like they're intentionally trolling.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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Crypto maximalists - and I know a LOT of them - are drawn to crypto because of ideology, not just the money. The idea that a person should own his/her own assets, be able to share and use them whenever they want, and be free from government censorship and foolhardy economic stewardship is incredibly powerful. When governments talk about banning crypto, what scares them isn't crypto; it's this ideology. And this ideol…

> You can create all sorts of regulations but that will only harden the stance of crypto maxis because it will only prove them right. They can harden their stance all they want, but breaking the crypto ecosystem is incredibly easy if governments really wanted to. All you have to do is ban companies from interacting with crypto currencies in any form, be it accepting, exchanging, holding, or producing them. That would…

All they'd really have to do is announce that they were going to build enough computing power to initiate a 51 percent attack on bitcoin. I imagine the NSA is already there but it would be a nice cash injection for Intel or whatever.

Bitcoin has a very, very short history of being a decent store of value and the US Government publicly saying they plan to break it would collapse the entire scheme.

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I think many underplay the real advantages of crypto assuming it’s all used for nefarious reasons, I use crypto quite frequently now, especially BCH (Bitcoin Cash), I can send this internationally for less than the cost PayPal changes for international payments. So why not use it, if the other person accepts it. In addition here is a real business (gpu.land) going only crypto as it provides better options: “I’m reach…

> In some cases Some might prefer to keep their bank from knowing exactly what theyre spending money on even tho it’s perfectly legal e.g. paying for porn, supporting a political dissident etc. Wait, wouldn't everyone who has your wallet id know what you spend your money on if you use crypto? It is a public ledger. I mean, you could go through the effort of trying to hide it by using various wallets, but that only ad…

I was more thinking along the lines of what’s this PayPal deposit to “furry art 4 u” (not my thing btw) or “Free Ross Ulbrict” with the mortgage advisor rather than anything requiring block chain analysis.

How would anyone at work know your block chain wallet hash? It’s a cryptographically generated hash not linked to any personal ID. People can see that money is moving around to different address and if law enforcement or mortgage advisor requested the exchange account details they could see you deposited this money in this address and then it moved to this address etc, but it’s not trivial to identify who owns any of those address once it’s left the exchange wallet.

If I was dealing with work people and trying to isolate them from other transactions, I’d just generate a separate wallet address for them which is trivial.

Re: CEO of a top Bitcoin exchange warns: crackdown on cryptocurrencies may be coming

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There seems to be 2 types of discussion about Bitcoin I've read so far: A) 95% of the discussions and focus on the strict monetary value of the Bitcoin as an investment and financial gains. B) 5% are related to ideological concepts of a decentralized monetary system and how that's a very good thing. I fail to see the real value for humanity in general for this, not to mention the environmental impacts of the energy c…

You forgot:

C) failing to see value for humanity due privilege of having access to modern and stable finance (pick your own percentage)

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> U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and other officials have warned about the use of cryptocurrencies for illicit transactions. Wait until you hear about cash. More seriously (and hopefully less reductionist) i feel nations who embrace cryptocurrencies early will see mixed results as the landscape matures. I am more confident that nations which turn their back on it, or shut it out completely, will see a loss of o…

Funny thing is...this is why China is exploring their own digital currency. Every transaction is tracked.

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> Wait until you hear about cash. I'm always bothered by this arguement because most of the same people in government who want to see a crackdown on Bitcoin also seem to want cash to be eliminated. I've been asked to do consulting on one of these digital cash replacement projects. The requirements included all the stuff you'd expect, like strict ID requirements for every account, and the ability to freeze funds at wi…

> most of the same people in government who want to see a crackdown on Bitcoin also seem to want cash to be eliminated Can you provide a source for that? First I've heard of such an argument from government officials

If I was a politician and in charge, I'd ban both in a heartbeat. Even though banning "cash" would be practically impossible, because people would then just replace it with barter, or favors or bottle caps.

But if it were to come to that, I'd replace it with some sort of digital currency that is "private" but accessible to the government within rules and reason of course.

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> Whatever your stance on cryptocurrencies are, what is of little dispute is the business opportunities they have created. Binance and Coinbase are large, successful companies. Poloniex was sold for ~400M. I find this argument a little weird, because I think we can all agree that bubbles and fad tech isn't really great for society as a whole. If you believe cryptocurrencies aren't a fad and actually provide useful be…

Blockchain tech is a next generation internet still in its early days. I don't think it will go away. What do you think these networks will look like in 20 years? It might be a negative for society now (I assume you are referring to the shady nature of using it as an alt currency), but it's precisely the tech you need to provide an alternative against Facebook or other walled gardens many people love to hate on here.…

> What do you think these networks will look like in 20 years?

My prediction is that some useful inventions will be adopted by regular people ok with regular old reputation based trust. And then some actual useful things will happen.

I was reading a report from my country's central bank experiment with e-money. A PoC token thing with a one time use rule enforced by a trusted network of intermediaries. They expressed some discomfort with this being a scalability issue and also not allowing offline transactions in case of infrastructure issues.

Ironically I found myself thinking that this could be solved by a digital equivalent of cheques.

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> Wait until you hear about cash. I'm always bothered by this arguement because most of the same people in government who want to see a crackdown on Bitcoin also seem to want cash to be eliminated. I've been asked to do consulting on one of these digital cash replacement projects. The requirements included all the stuff you'd expect, like strict ID requirements for every account, and the ability to freeze funds at wi…

It's a ridiculous comparison, though. E.g. try to regularly move billions in cash and see how long it'll take before you're busted for not reporting that you're doing that. A billion bucks weighs a fucktonne. I'm pro cash, anti cryptocurrency, because the comparison is absolutely ridiculous there's no contradiction.

Cash payment limit of $10000AUD is proposed in Australia. $10000AUD weighs fuckall.

https://treasury.gov.au/policy-topics/economy/black-economy/...

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