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It's a shame, but it really does feel like "free speech" has become a near dog-whistle. Almost any time I hear of a service billing itself with free speech as a primary selling point, a quick visit is more than enough to turn me off of ever returning. Besides this, there's a clear feedback loop that happens regardless of the intent of the service's creators. The people most likely to get kicked off of social media pl…
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Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter
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#3821. Parler is actively recruiting liberals and moderates, to build a "big tent" of diverse opinions and perspectives.
2. The moderation guidelines are quite explicit: don't censor anyone for expressing a political opinion of any sort. Don't censor people you disagree with. Do moderate extremely toxic content -- but it has to be pretty clear, like "I'm going to kill you" or a stream of expletives with zero redeeming content. Or spam, or nonsensical posts.
3. The parleys (their version of tweets) are largely sociopolitical commentary of the type that's being downvoted or censored on the major platforms like Twitter and Facebook. For example, you can post freely about hydroxychloroquine as an effective treatment for covid19. You can say "The 2020 Election was stoken". Pretty much all of the "3rd rail" topics that have been restricted elsewhere. You can link to an article by Alex Jones or Q. Their attitude seems to be, read and decide for yourself.
4. Competition is a good thing. A lot of people here have a reflexive notion that "fringe" sites like Parler and Gab will just create more echo chambers to keep "those people" ignorant. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Giving people a free speech platform is a breath of fresh air, a return to a broader and more civil discourse. Censorship does not encourage civility; it does not foster broadminded attitudes. On the contrary, it causes more extremism.
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Yes and Twitter is FAKE NEWS. It is a known STATED LAW that electorates decide the president. This system was designed by Hamilton to prevent a popular but unfit candidate from becoming president. When somebody stated this on Twitter, Twitter gave this is information may not be correct warning. It is the LAW. Twitter fact checked the law. If Twitter was willing to mind its own business, Parler wouldn't exist.
if the system was designed to prevent a popular but unfit candiate from becoming president, it's been broken since 2016.
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I've long held the opinion that Twitter and Facebook are just content in the medium, a bit like complaining about Sky, CNN or Fox on TV without looking at television itself and the impact it had on communication. The internet has brought communication to everyone that travels at incredible speed. This has the effect of causing emotive responses, rather than reasoned. Requires no effort at all to respond, and encourag…
Yes and Twitter is FAKE NEWS. It is a known STATED LAW that electorates decide the president. This system was designed by Hamilton to prevent a popular but unfit candidate from becoming president. When somebody stated this on Twitter, Twitter gave this is information may not be correct warning. It is the LAW. Twitter fact checked the law. If Twitter was willing to mind its own business, Parler wouldn't exist.
The system is a law.
The system was designed by Hamilton alone (or nearly so).
The system was designed to prevent a popular but unfit candidate.
You seem to be arguing that because one of those three is inarguably correct that Twitter shouldn’t be giving a “this tweet may not be correct” warning. That’s not how it should work, IMO.
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From what I've heard (I don't use Parler) one of their selling points it actually that they're quicker than Twitter as censoring. Twitter allows (and promotes?) hate mobs while Parler supposedly doesn't.
How does that work? Since most of the hate mobs are in Parler now?
Unless you provide proof, there is no reason to discuss this.
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There's no hate mob in Parler, they're all conservatives, why would they hate each other.
> There's no hate mob in Parler, they're all conservatives, why would they hate each other. There’s no hate in the KKK. They are all white. Why would they hate each other? See the problem with this construction?
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I suspect we will continue to see services that unbundle social media's hottest topics. Social media may have created an outrage economy -- a subset of the attention economy. But like ebay, craigslist, etc, the social media platforms' broad focus means their product can't specialize when strong trends emerge. The outrage will be unbundled by niche companies. I actually think this is a good thing. Seeing conspiracy th…
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, I agree there is a positive to isolating the worst of social media off on a separate site. On the other hand, we're (maybe) just starting to see Facebook etc take some action on the worst elements of social media. This subverts that and makes it harder for Facebook to take further action in the future: shareholders will rightfully ask "what if you lose even more…
As long as the FBI are aware and can prevent these things, I suppose it's a nice honeypot, but if not then it's a literal weaponization of social media.
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#388It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.
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#389Big Tech and Big Media really overplayed their hand this time, IMO. Millions and millions of people are now skeptical and looking for an alternative, even from Fox News. It might not be to Parler, or to the next site after that, but fragmentation will continue to happen. Facebook and media at large only have power if they have viewers, which is a far less stable resource than iron, or oil, or other corporate mainstay…
2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…
This could have easily been written about the late 1960s / early 1970s, though - the assassination of Bobby Kennedy, the 1968 Democratic National Convention, Hoover's FBI and COINTELPRO, the Black Panthers, the Weather Underground and Watergate.
The top wobbled but righted itself; perhaps it will do so again.
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2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…
Hm.. perhaps in the faceless namespace that is the Internet, but much of that interaction hasn't yet percolated into every day life of the vast majority of individuals. Any person not participating in these exchanges and these networks might not even recognize that these heated interactions are happening. Another part of the complication (fortunately) is that there is also no "real life" external markers that separat…