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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.
Why is the damage bad? Why not thin the population? Think about the looming stress due to the boomers living longer. If they die, housing becomes affordable. Assets move to the younger generation. Debts get canceled because their is no one left in the estate to pay. Think of this as a fire that thins the forest. New growth will come up.
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There is no law enforcement action being taken for the NY or CA order. They’re relying on “social-pressure” to keep people inside.
I've seen videos of NYPD going in and telling people in restaurants to clear out (from days ago). I wouldn't be surprised to see NYPD telling people to clear out for this too.
More broadly, if you live in NYC and know the NYPD, then of course they're going to respond in this manner when such orders come out. When they have authority, they use it.
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This is a really naive take in my opinion. Edit: it's naive at best . Sounds more like you don't want to accept that bad shit is happening in the world. This has absolutely fuck-all to do with cancel culture and everything to do with selfish people spreading a dangerous disease. You can make the same argument about seatbelts. The majority of people wear seatbelts because they've been asked to and they understand the…
I wear my seatbelt whenever I go for a drive. But I also have a motorcycle license. Your rhetoric seems equally applicable to regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant. When I read this sort of angry screed it scares me because it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts.
As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing, and that the freedom (and convenience) is worth the increased risk compared to a car.
Moreover, how much of an increased risk does a responsible motorcycle operator actually pose compared to a car operator, without other vehicles involved?
IMO you should be subject to serious and increased legal penalties for reckless driving (failing to signal, etc.) when a safely-operated motorcycle is nearby. And likewise for motorcyclists who speed down the highway threading between lanes should.
You're also not the first person on the Internet to bring up the motorcycle false equivalence as a counterargument to disease control methods like this. Not sure what to make of that.
it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts
This is pretty much true in my experience. You can look up a field called "behavioral economics" if you don't want to take my word for it.
angry screed
Why do I even bother? Is everything you disagree with an "angry screed"?
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Huh? If you spread it to 1 person, then the total number of people who have been infected will rise by 1.
I mean the total number of people sick at any given time, not the total number of people who have ever been infected.
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China claims to have stopped it in its tracks.
China effectively let everyone catch the disease so that now everyone is either immune or dead.
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I mean the total number of people sick at any given time, not the total number of people who have ever been infected.
The parent poster asked "Why would we only expect half the world to get it?". It sounds like your answer to that is "no no, almost everybody will get it, they'll just get it at different times".
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I wear my seatbelt whenever I go for a drive. But I also have a motorcycle license. Your rhetoric seems equally applicable to regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant. When I read this sort of angry screed it scares me because it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts.
regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing, and that the freedom (and convenience) is worth the increased risk compared to a car. Moreover, how much of an increased risk does a responsible motorcycle operator actually pose compared to a car operator, without other vehicles involved?…
No. But my threshold may be lower than it used to be, because I'm worrying lately about how other people react to stress under current circumstances.
"As a society we have accepted that a safe and responsible motorcycle operator should be allowed to do their thing"
I'm not sure if you can really prove that "as a society we have accepted..." something, but assuming we have, my point was how arbitrary it is. We draw a little box around different things, and motorcycles only have to be safe relative to motorcycle norms, while cars have to be safe relative to car norms. And norms differ from country to country.
That doesn't mean I'm necessarily on a crusade to break down that sort of compartmentalization, I just alternately read people questioning it and people taking it for granted, so I tend to think of the other side either way.
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That 3000+ per day is for the entire globe. And horrifyingly, there’s a chance the US alone will surpass that for some period in the coming weeks. Italy recorded 600+ today, and we’re much bigger. Plus we are way behind on locking down.
That sounds horrifying. What information leads you to believe that the United States will be having so many automobile deaths in the coming weeks?
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I can't remember the last time I logged in. I live in in Crown Heights, Brooklyn and I don't want belittle the gravity of the situation at all because we have seen seen 3 obituary entries (all elderly) and have a number of other people who we are praying for in precarious situations. But your comment strikes me as something out dystopian sci-fi. Our volunteer ems reps as of 4 days ago estimated that 80% of the commun…
Given how uncertain these times are, I’m not surprised that anyone who has had a mild cold and up since Jan is now pretty sure it was actually coronavirus. But if it was secretly that widespread, why are 90% people tested coming back negative? In short: listen to the public health experts, not the volunteer EMS.
On the other hand, I follow Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding, Harvard/Johns Hopkins trained Epidemiologist on Twitter[1]. He was the first to blow the whistle in America and say COVID-19 is a "thermal-nuclear" level bad on a later deleted tweet[2], when Wuhan was in hell because the healthcare systems there were crashing in late Jan/early Feb. And now we know, COVID-19 is likely going to cause more death and worse economic tolls than the past nuclear war in WWII.
[1]: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing
[2]: https://disrn.com/news/harvard-epidemiologist-says-coronavir...