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Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by ganonm »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

Apple service is atrocious. Don't they make you book an appointment and turn up at their store just to get someone to look at it? I hear of people who spend more time taking their laptops to the local Apple store than most people with major illnesses spend going to the doctor...

I bought a Dell XPS13 laptop recently which unfortunately had a non functioning motherboard. I contacted Dell and a technician came to my house first thing the next day and replaced it, no questions asked. Totally hassle free. I'd take that any day over having to book an appointment to see a 'Genius'.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by dredmorbius »

ghego1 wrote: post #245
jaynetics wrote: post #221

"Maximum altitude: tested up to 16,400 feet (5000 meters)" Does anyone know how or where they do this testing? Seems quite bothersome to do.

This made me wonder, why is max altitude a limit? Is it due to cooling (less air)? I'd be glad to know more if anyone has some insights

Low humidity -> static.

Lower air density -> less heat transfer, so components run hotter.

Air pressure may affect disk drives and other sealed / fluid-dynamic systems.

Capacitors and other electronics might possibly be affected.

Apparently displays and printers (liquid ink) are strongly affected.

Arcing increases with elevation.

https://highaltitudelife.com/electronics.htm

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=24254

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derating

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by dekhn »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

Dell does this.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

ganonm wrote: post #381
swebs wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

Apple service is atrocious. Don't they make you book an appointment and turn up at their store just to get someone to look at it? I hear of people who spend more time taking their laptops to the local Apple store than most people with major illnesses spend going to the doctor... I bought a Dell XPS13 laptop recently which unfortunately had a non functioning motherboard. I contacted Dell and a technician came to my ho…

> Apple service is atrocious. Don't they make you book an appointment and turn up at their store just to get someone to look at it?

I can't speak for anyone else, but the last time I had trouble with my MacBook (five years or more ago now, the touchpad had cracked, IIRC), I made an appointment in the morning to come in in the afternoon. Walked up, explained the problem, gave them the machine, and they called me back to pick it up a few hours later. That's not bad, IMO.

Home service is awesome, but unless things have changed recently, I don't think that's common. It also may be different for wear-and-tear fixes vs. DOA replacements; Dell has a strong interest in fixing the latter as quickly as possible to protect their reputation. Most companies, most of the time, expect you to come to them to get service.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by volkl48 »

dahauns wrote: post #355
swebs wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

>-Has a corporate warranty Has Apple finally started to offer one comparable to the Big Three? (SLAs, Onsite service with guaranteed reaction times and HW replacements and so on) Serious question - this was actually a big argument against Pro Apple workstations in the past. >-Ships with anything other than Windows Well, you won't get macOS of course, but all big workstation manufacturers sell workstations with Linux…

In at least some cases, yes.

https://support.apple.com/applecare-enterprise-service

I do not know what the criteria are to be able to get on that program, though.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by philliphaydon »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #370
throw0101a wrote: post #363

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> ... I switched to windows ... Some people do not want to do that.

I agree! I find Windows quite cumbersome and unpleasant to use and would rather pay more for macOS; not because it is a status symbol, but because it is simply a better product for me.

I find macOS cumbersome and unpleasant to use and would rather pay more for windows or linux.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by inlined »

jcadam wrote: post #361
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Yea, I remember when PowerMacs could be had at a wide variety of price points. That was nice. If Apple doesn't want to serve the "I need a decently powerful machine but don't want to waste money on what is basically a status symbol" market, maybe they should license MacOS to someone who does. Something like that might actually bring me back to the platform. As it is, I stick to PCs running Linux.

They used to do this and it almost led to the death of the company. I’m sure they’re quite hesitant to try again. Instead, you can look into the hackintosh project

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by wffurr »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Doesn't the new top tier Mac Mini fill a lot of the role the trash can Mac Pro did? You can hook up GPUs to it with the thunderbolt ports. I think the top model is faster than the trash can Mac Pro.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by AgloeDreams »

ganonm wrote: post #381
swebs wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

Apple service is atrocious. Don't they make you book an appointment and turn up at their store just to get someone to look at it? I hear of people who spend more time taking their laptops to the local Apple store than most people with major illnesses spend going to the doctor... I bought a Dell XPS13 laptop recently which unfortunately had a non functioning motherboard. I contacted Dell and a technician came to my ho…

They also will ship you a box and ship it to a service center, I've been shocked on the turnaround time on that even with major service. From Me getting the box to getting the laptop back it was just two days (I ship on day one, they get it overnight on day two, they ship back out with a new Logic Board and cables, then I get it on day three.)
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