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Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand

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Re: Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand

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Yet, for some reason Microsoft keeps updating calculator and notepad in Windows.

Really? I'm on windows 10 and I couldn't tell you what they've changed in notepad - did they fix legacy mac EOL support (i.e. `\r`)?

Yes, they did fix the line-endings for both Mac and Unix files.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563704/microsoft-window...

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Any thoughts on whether Google Photos will stick around? I find it's far better than any alternatives I've come across, and the recent Inbox shutdown made me realize how "dependent" I am on it.

That’s gonna be an interesting one to watch. Hosting the worlds photos costs many billions of dollars each year! That said it’s a key driver to sell android phones (“infinite storage”)...so for the time being you will be good.

Just googled around and I'm guessing the terms allow google to use the photos and associated metadata which sounds to me like it would be hugely valuable. For ML research, search, advertising, etc. If Google knows where my photos were taken, what products are in the photo, what car, etc.

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The iPhone 5s from 2013 can run the latest OS. The latest version of MacOS supports computers back to 2012. But while the Mac is not a huge percentage of Apple’s revenue, by itself, it makes enough money to be a Fortune 100 company.

Yes, you can run latest iOS. But it is dog slow. Try to use it with at least 3 apps. For a typical user with > 10 apps it is useless.

I ran it on an iPhone 6 and it was fine. Your comment about "at least 3 apps" makes very little sense to me; iOS is notoriously aggressive with memory management, and apps must be designed to expect being killed at any time without warning, with only a few specific background tasks allowed to run (and generally for limited times with explicitly defined purposes). I'm sure my phone had upwards of a hundred apps on it, but generally speaking, only one or two were running at any given time because that's true of any iOS device.

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> Meanwhile, consider Reader. A product with only a couple million users, mostly pointy-headed techie types, that doesn’t drive business to any money-making effort, And this is exactly the problem about Google! They only care about direct metrics: Product A generates only x million $ per year -> it must be canceled. But what those direct metrics do not show is the long term trust which is destroyed by such short-term…

> And this is exactly the problem about Google! They only care about direct metrics: Product A generates only x million $ per year -> it must be canceled. Microsoft doesn't consider a product unless it can generate more than $100M a year. It's a general mode of operation for big companies, not limited to Google.

How much direct revenue does WSL generate? Or VSCode?

Re: Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand

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Warning: Personal opinion ahead To understand why this keeps happening, you need to understand the product and engineering culture at Google. As a group, Google engineers and PMs are obsessed with promotion. At the heart of every conversation about system design or product proposal lies an unspoken (and sometimes spoken) question: will working on this get me promoted? The criteria for promotion at Google, especially…

Thanks, but to you and any other GOOGLE EMPLOYEES Are you not internally aware of this? Do you just carry on regardless? What happens when you voice this issue internally? As an ex-Google fan boy, the title of this article has been true for years and it's what poisoned me (and no doubt many others) against you. So you must be aware of it. What's your take? I'm super curious as to why you gave up tech (brand) leadersh…

Complete outsider to that, but it's easy enough to figure - you would have to be promoted like 3-7 times under the current system before anyone would start to care about your opinion on things like that. Good luck ever finding someone who can be enough of a creature of the current system to be promoted that many times within it, yet still maintain the firm idea that it needs to be changed.

Re: Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand

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I'll be honest, the products listed that they think is "damaging" the Google brand is a mix between "I've literally never heard of that" and "I literally don't care about that". Of course, with Fiber being the "I've both heard, and care, but we all knew it was inevitable years ago".

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How much money do you think AWS loses still supporting old deprecated services like running EC2 instances outside of a VPC and SimpleDB? I’m not aware of a single feature on AWS that has ever been abandoned.

I don't think they lose any money at all. They pass the entirety of those costs onto customers. That's why, for example, newer EC2 instance types cost less than older ones: whenever they decide to cut their margins to increase volume, they essentially do it across-the-board first, and then they back up and increase the costs for the legacy instances to reflect their increasing support burden. (It just happens to look…

I don't think they lose any money at all. They pass the entirety of those costs onto customers.

If that’s the case, that’s a business model I’m all for. Charge people enough money to make your product sustainable instead of just trying to gain a lot of users and hope you will figure it out later. Of course even then you have to have enough scale to cover the fix costs and offer it a price to make it affordable, but don’t start off thinking the answer to everything is advertising.

Re: Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand

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This is an issue that is dear to my heart. I think it is possible to almost always avoid killing a product. When a company doesn't want to invest further they can do combinations of the following:

* Just open source it.

* If code has external IP, isolate them behind interfaces.

* If product is service and uses internal infrastructure, you can still isolate those interfaces (assume someone else would build necessary infrastructure)

* If core devs have left or aren't interested, hire offshore or freelancers to do this work

* Call for maintainers/fans who are invested in the product to participate

* Instill culture in the company so every new project is architected with eventual open sourcing in future due to reasons such as shutdown

* Put product up for sell to potential companies who are in same space and ask them to take on work for making sure IP and dependencies are abstracted

Re: Google’s constant product shutdowns are damaging its brand

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Ehh, I disagree with your assessment, and to illustrate why I think you need to focus on asblockers. AMP serves a critical strategic purpose: it severely disincentivizes crappy, JS-heavy websites on search results and as a result makes people less likely to install adblockers. Google is terrified of adblockers going mainstream, to the point where they’re willing to risk anticompetitive suits by creating their own. AM…

> AMP serves a critical strategic purpose: it severely disincentivizes crappy, JS-heavy websites on search results and as a result makes people less likely to install adblockers. The slowest, most resource-intensive web sites I visit are, in order: Slack, GMail, and Google Play Music. If Google wants others to take web performance seriously, they should start with their own internal stuff.

Are Slack, GMail, Google Play Music websites or web applications? AMP is not applicable to sites/applications that remain open in your tabs all the time. I think it's more applicable to pages you open, consume the information and close the tab in couple of minutes.

Disc: Googler but nowhere close to AMP.

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