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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by saagarjha »

om2 wrote: post #304
c-smile wrote: post #75

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Patches is not the only mechanism to keep code in sync. For two engines forked from the same source (same architecture and even same code tree structure) it is relatively easy to copy/paste feature implementation, no?

In theory maybe, but in practice we rarely do. Sometimes even when the idea is pretty clear, like WebKit's CSS JIT, it's not that easy to copy because of underlying assumptions.

Just curious, what kind of underlying assumptions are required for the CSS JIT (which is completely new to me! I had no idea this even existed)? I read this: https://webkit.org/blog/3271/webkit-css-selector-jit-compile... but I didn't see anything specific (by the way, the spinning animation for the gear is broken on my Safari Technology Preview).

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by goto11 »

coldtea wrote: post #362
kccqzy wrote: post #353

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> Changing the box model Most of the things you said I agree. But honestly the box model is one of these. The additive model standardized by W3C isn't really popular in the web designer crowd. I cut my teeth in an era where W3C and standard compliance were huge things, so I accepted the additive model without question. Nowadays though many designers opt for Microsoft's "broken" box model aka subtractive model through…

There was nothing "broken" about it. It was just non-standard at the time, but the old standards were wrong, like they were on many matters (floats for layout, for example, was a load of shit).

Floats were just supposed to be used to control text floating around images and other inserts. It was never designed as a general-purpose layout mechanism.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by jodrellblank »

btschaegg wrote: post #315
swalladge wrote: post #305

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

> It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspects of performance (initial load time, ui responsiveness, web site responsiveness) are terribly slow. 100% agree here. I'd be way more worried about monoculture if any other browser would be discontinued, but the MS browser history was and is just a shitshow. I can't even remember how many years MS and even some people in my…

TL;DR: I actually wouldn't mind that much, but MS has been repeatedly overselling and underdelivering for years and just slows down everyone else doing it.

I know what you mean, but that is mildly amusing and not entirely false.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by PetahNZ »

talawahdotnet wrote: post #28

Interesting, but what I really, really want them to do is EOL IE 11 so that the web can move forward without feeling guilty about the X% of users still on it. IE 11 has unfortunately become the new IE 6. As it is right now I believe the IE 11 EOL is tied to the Windows 10 EOL...which is not happening anytime soon. Many frameworks are dropping support for it anyway so I guess it will end up being defacto desupported.

What really pains me is the X% of users still on Safari 9. Not only does it not support a lot of new features, but how do you even test it? At least IE11 I can easily spin up a free VM to test.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pietrovismara »

swalladge wrote: post #305
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

It's easy not to be left in the dirt, just keep the same pace of the other vendors in implementing support for new JS features.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by zapzupnz »

Tangentially related to all the stuff about the impending browser monoculture (everything old is new; Chromium shall be the next IE, etc.), I wonder if Apple would ever revive Safari on Windows.

There's probably more value in it now than there was before, because all those iPhone users who don't want to or don't the choice to use a Mac would still want iCloud bookmark and keychain sync on their machines. Plus, eventually, it might become another glass of that proverbial ice water in Hell that iTunes and Safari for Windows were once touted to be.

Yes, I know Windows would still have Firefox and all that, but I don't think one competitor does competition make. You need many competitors to segment the market, because this is not a market where segmentation should be considered a problem; rather, it should be embraced as the way to drive standards forward. It's worked that way for us since 2007 up until the last couple of years, it'll work again.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by emn13 »

prince005 wrote: post #377
swalladge wrote: post #305

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

I won't really complain if there are just 2 render engines out there in the market, given that both are open source. It will make work hell lot easier for so many developers and the competition and development will stay healthy.

Open source doesn't reduce the issues with people writing to the implementation, not the spec - leading to unintentional interactions and trivia suddenly becoming impossible to change.

If edge dies, and FF shrinks further (both of which seem likely), FF will in effect be reduced to an alternative implementation of chrome; not a implementation of a web browser. Both Edge and FF already include chrome-quirk emulating features; you can expect those exceptions to become the norm.

Apple - for all it's wealth - isn't likely to bother bucking the trend here. The same forces pushing MS affect Apple too; and given their high-end only marketing and various political factors, they will be completely ignored in much of asia - and that's a lot of devs creating a lot of stuff that is likely to depend on chrome-only features eventually.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ulfw »

paperpunk wrote: post #307
vitorgrs wrote: post #303

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You are saying like if almost 1 billion of WIndows 10 users aren't huge installed base?

Well they don't all use Edge. The majority of them use Chrome!

Exactly. Everyone on iOS uses Safari (either direct or as underpinnings for "Chrome", "Firefox" etc browser interface someone might want to put on top of it)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

swalladge wrote: post #305
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

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