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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by MrMember » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:19 PM UTC

dahdum wrote: post #74

dahdum wrote: post #51

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They’ve already started banning all the subs about escorts, prostitution, sugar daddies, etcetera today in response. Also subs like BeerTrade, BazaarMarkets , and other marketplaces. Say goodbye to an era. I’m sure many more will get the axe over time.

I do wonder how long until they start banning amateur porn subs like gonewild, they facilitate cam girl advertising there with no controls for age or trafficking status.

I doubt reddit is happy about the popularity of porn on their site in general. Look at /r/all with the NSFW filter off and it's like 10% porn. That can't be good when they're trying to attract advertisers. I agree it won't be long until they start cracking down on it, probably using possible child pornography or sex trafficking as an excuse.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by emiliobumachar » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:21 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #304

emiliobumachar wrote: post #295

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You bring forth a compelling theory, but I don't think it's true. Compare the market for contraband or counterfeited booze and cigarettes, which "mirrors" legal booze and cigarettes, with the market for cocaine and heroin, where "all the surrounding paraphernalia is direct evidence".

OK, go on, if someone is smoking an illegally imported cigarette it's nearly impossible to tell just by looking that there's been a crime. If they're doing a line you know within a small error margin without any investigation. Why, because the former is hidden by the legally allowed behaviour.

While I admittedly did not look up any hard data, I take it for granted that the cocaine market is much more of a public problem than the smuggled cigarette market. This flies in the face of your admittedly compelling thought experiment. Siblings have made some compelling points regarding why that might be.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:23 PM UTC

edraferi wrote: post #368

anigbrowl wrote: post #131

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Great, like the trade is going to suddenly end. All they've achieved is 'out of sight, out of mind.' I'm quite annoyed about this, both because it affects numerous friends of mine who are sex workers and are now scrambling to find alternatives to working on the street, where they're far less safe, and on a more pedestrian level because I met my wife on a Craigslist date years ago. Life is too short to make excuses fo…

I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. I think almost every vice would be less damaging to society if it was in the open. Polite society doesn't want to see sex work or drugs, but they still exist. Hiding them makes things much worse for the people directly involved. It's trafficked kids with broken immigration status who are more scared of the cops than their captors. It's drug addicts who OD on tainted d…

I'm in favour of careful legalisation.

The submitted article is talking about a reaction to the behaviour of one publication who were openly allowing people to advertise kidnapped drugged children for sex; and then when they took a minimal step back from that the publisher was giving advice to advertisers about how to create an ad to sell drugged kidnapped children for sex without hitting the publications new filters.

Once these children were rescued they were telling the publisher that some of these ads contained images of them; that they had been kidnapped, drugged, and repeatedly raped; and that they'd like the images taken down and preferably for the ads to be taken down. That publisher refused.

One of the problems of decriminalisation of buying and selling sex work is that someone who wants to fuck a 14 year old child isn't going to use the service a 25 year old provides, so legalisation has limited usefulness to prevent the kidnap and drugging of children.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by midgetjones » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:24 PM UTC

humanrebar wrote: post #291

midgetjones wrote: post #229

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These problems can also be avoided by not owning guns.

And you can avoid gross plumbing problems by not owning a plunger. You can have professionals with plungers deal with that. Frankly, it's a privilege to able to rely on public and paid services to protect you and your property. Not everyone gets the same service levels and not everyone can afford to pay to fix the problem.

And do those professionals need access to YouTube tutorials to see how to use the plunger?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by PurpleBoxDragon » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:27 PM UTC

Noos wrote: post #322

syshum wrote: post #219

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>>But it is obvious to anyone who has used them that CL personals were utterly overwhelmed by people who are selling the other kind of Saas (Sex as a Service). That is also largely the government fault because back in 2010 they more or less forced CL to close the Sections of the site that was dedicated to Adult Services... and as predicted the people that were in those sections simply moved to the personals

Its their fault they forced craigslist to shut down a section openly advertising illegal content? I love the contortions people make. It's not like sex work is even legal in the majority of western nations

>Its their fault they forced craigslist to shut down a section openly advertising illegal content? I love the contortions people make.

Given how arbitrarily laws are applied, it is the fault of the people choosing when to arbitrarily apply a law as to the impacts of arbitrarily applying that law.

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Post by daeken » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

ihsw2 wrote: post #226

quotemstr wrote: post #68

I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. Lawmakers and advocates, have some epistemic humility and acknowledge that your own perspective may be mistaken. Not everything is oppression. Not every activity is injustice. Sometimes, people just fucking disagree.

How do you reconcile this with the #metoo feminist supremacist movement, the transgender-rights progressive supremacist movement, the illegal-immigrant-rights movement -- all of it is unabashed moralizing, extolling the claims of a utopian future while decrying opponents as irredeemable sinners? They are puritans of another flavor, intending to "purify" America (and the world) of "cultural oppression."

> the #metoo feminist supremacist movement

Yes, damn those feminists and their opposition of rape... /s

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by Frondo » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #222

syshum wrote: post #215

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> prevailing concept that "consent" can be revoked AFTER you have consented No, it can't; but what does happen is people taking "she didn't complain" as evidence of consent rather than evidence of coercion into not complaining.

Of course it can. Someone might want to have sex with you, and consent, and then they might want you to stop, and remove consent for you to continue.

Continuing sex with someone after they tell you to stop, no matter what they said before, is sexual assault.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by vuln » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

midgetjones wrote: post #384

humanrebar wrote: post #291

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And you can avoid gross plumbing problems by not owning a plunger. You can have professionals with plungers deal with that. Frankly, it's a privilege to able to rely on public and paid services to protect you and your property. Not everyone gets the same service levels and not everyone can afford to pay to fix the problem.

And do those professionals need access to YouTube tutorials to see how to use the plunger?

I'm sure.like any professional they use the tools at their disposal. There are new makes and models coming out every year. Why wouldn't a professional use YouTube as a reference? Would a programmer get scoffed at for referring to stack overflow?

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Post by ballenf » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:30 PM UTC

3131s wrote: post #180

zeth___ wrote: post #149

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And to make the system better they just took the system offline. The next Craigs list will be on Tor and will have a child prostitute section. Congratulations on making things worse.

Actually .onion prostitution services exist already and have for a long time. There was at least one that was very popular around 5 years ago, but I don't remember the name. But you are absolutely right, this is pushing sex workers further underground and therefore making their lives more dangerous.

And now you'll have the "innocent" john sorting through ads selling any number of illegal offerings, because he will have to use the TOR version now.

Can't help but think this will be a boon for those in the business of sex trafficking.

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Post by knowThySelfx » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:32 PM UTC

zanny wrote: post #333

knowThySelfx wrote: post #262

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Would it be surprising to say that trading in this might include Bitcoin?

I'd imagine they would use Monero or Zcash nowadays since those are proven fairly more anonymized. Bitcoin is wholly public so all it takes is one identifiable wallet to start profiling addresses they interact with.

By Bitcoin I meant Blockchain based money.