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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by rubber_duck »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #353
porkloin wrote: post #245

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I work in an office of graphic designers, and they all have overpowered hardware that they bought thinking they needed the latest and greatest to run Photoshop and Illustrator. They don't need a breakneck GPU - they need a device like this that gives them new, intuitive input options. That said, for any kind of 3D development this hardware isn't up to snuff. Anyway, the device seems more targeted at 2D graphic design…

Agree 100% there are thousands of offices out there with photoshop monkeys making web pages, signs, adverts, car wraps, promotional material, etc etc all of who would love to have one of these. All those ageing iMacs need to replaced soon.

With 3-4k$ devices ? You can get two iMacs for that.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by mwfunk »

ohstopitu wrote: post #259
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #221

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> the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing In theory. To anyone who feels that way, please try it out for yourself before making a leap. I thought it would let me develop Ruby on Rails under Windows like I could do on Linux or macOS. I discovered a whole bunch of unimplemented features that prevented this. After a couple of months of commenting on bug reports and watching and trying, I gave up. I'll check…

The biggest issue I have had with their subsystem is that of the file system (NTFS). The fact that I can't have long paths and can't soft link seem ridiculous.

NTFS has a functional equivalent to soft links in the form of reparse points, although I don't know to what degree that feature is exposed in the UI, if at all. Last time I looked into it (admittedly, years ago) they could only be created via the command line. Not sure what you mean by "can't have long paths" though, NTFS allows you to programmatically create paths up to 32,767 code points long:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247.aspx

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by [deleted] »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by Eridrus »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #221
mozumder wrote: post #26

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As an Apple (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, PowerBook, PowerMac G5) user for 15 years, of photo processing & inDesign layout, I agree. XCode & iOS development is going to keep me on Apple for now, though, but the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing. The BSD Unix environment is the whole reason I went with Apple in the first place. OS X is basically a Unix workstation & perfected anything the Linux desktop wanted t…

> the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing In theory. To anyone who feels that way, please try it out for yourself before making a leap. I thought it would let me develop Ruby on Rails under Windows like I could do on Linux or macOS. I discovered a whole bunch of unimplemented features that prevented this. After a couple of months of commenting on bug reports and watching and trying, I gave up. I'll check…

I'm a bit of a WSL fanboy, but this is the right advice if you're not a windows user normally.

When it works, it's great, but some things just don't work and you're stuck.

I've found the WSL devs to be fairly responsive, but not to everything.

However, I've found open source projects to be pretty responsive to bug reports of their projects running on WSL; it's far easier for them to support that than support a native windows build.

There are often workarounds for issues, but their coverage is certainly not where we would all like it to be yet.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by criddell »

qihqi wrote: post #335

As a software eng. this is not something I need. I have realized that because computers are designed and programmed by engineers, we had what we need from the very beginning. I am glad that now its designer's turn to get some tools.

The touch input I don't care about, but I definitely want that display. How can anybody that works with text all day not want more pixels and sharper text?

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by MAGZine »

jarjoura wrote: post #212

At first I applauded Microsoft for continuing to advance the desktop computer market. This is something I wish Apple would continue to invest in but is clear they're moving towards building machines for the engineers to build iOS software. However then I jump into the Microsoft store and check it out... $4,199.00 for the high-end option gets you a hybrid drive, probably connected over an older SATA bus and a graphics…

Why, pray tell, would Microsoft include a thunderbolt port, an apple standard, on their device? It had licensing issues before, not sure if it still does or not—wouldn't be surprised.

I'd want a USB-C port before I'd want a thunderbolt port!

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by r00fus »

ProAm wrote: post #301
rubber_duck wrote: post #227

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Sorry but unless this is a glorified exec office decoration, professionals care about the specs very much, especially at that resolution and price tag

> professionals care about the specs very much Says everyone that is still paying full price for a 3 year old MacBook Pro....

At least that has an SSD (and a decent speed one at that). Seriously a 3yo Intel chip makes a much less difference than a good SSD.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by draw_down »

1st1 wrote: post #3

I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

They got whupped bad in the mobile market, and PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by r00fus »

KirinDave wrote: post #249
rubber_duck wrote: post #227

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Sorry but unless this is a glorified exec office decoration, professionals care about the specs very much, especially at that resolution and price tag

Hybrid drives are a good call for professional graphic designers and video editors. I have moved my video editing efforts to hybrid drives because of price/space ratios while maintaining performance. Pure SSDs only shine for gaming and compiling, and much more for the former than the later. A machine where you're constantly shuffling for space is no fun.

Hybrid drives are noticably slower than SSD for a lot of use cases. It's like saying a USB2 part is good enough when USB3 is pervasive, expected, and not that much pricier.

SSDs (and preferably PCIe or NVMe) should be table stakes at a $2k price.

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