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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by impulser_ »

huslage wrote: post #337
impulser_ wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are using Google Cloud. https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/?linkId=100000... "Now, we are collaborating with Google and NVIDIA to run new Apple Intelligence workloads on Google Cloud, extending our industry-leading PCC privacy commitments to third-party data centers for the first time."

They are not _only_ using Google Cloud. They continue to build and invest in their own datacenters. It's not a binary choice.

Yeah, but the models are running in Google Cloud which makes sense they are based on Gemini.

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Post by devsda »

Bud wrote: post #350
chvid wrote: post #338

Let us hope the EU forces Apple to allow the end-user to choose the external model: Wouldn’t it be amazing having privacy first local models calling out via a welldefined open protocol to a model of your choice: Claude, Grok, DeepSeek? Sounds like OS architecture done right - screw the kickback business model.

Let's actually not hope that, and let's not indulge the EU regulators' fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of products from non-EU countries. Force Apple to support all kinds of arbitrary models? That's a comically bad idea.

> EU regulators' fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of products from non-EU countries.

They should get to regulate the design of products from non-EU countries only those that are sold inside EU.

The fact that it is not cost effective for Apple to design two separate products(software or hardware) for EU and non-EU is an Apple problem.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by NegativeLatency »

Melatonic wrote: post #59
bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

Local is probably similar to Gemma e4b you can get right now on Google Edge Gallery (the ios and Android app). Guessing that the more powerful version that will only work on the 12gb ram devices will be something unreleased that is similar but a bit larger Google also awhile back announced being able to run full Gemini by leasing / renting hardware in your own datacenters so companies can train or access data without…

A larger context window would be nice, the apple model on devices now is almost too small to do cool stuff with

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by DANmode »

Cider9986 wrote: post #358
ActorNightly wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely adore the historical revisionism that apple cares about privacy. Run your router through a linux laptop as a proxy so you can capture traffic, connect any apple device to your router, and see the vasts amount of data your device sends to apple. Apple DGAF about privacy, they want your data as much as anyone else, their only thing is that they should be the only ones to get it and then other people have t…

Apple added e2ee and created the most complete end to end encrypted cloud ecosystem to prevent that from happening again.

Is that secret code for “rate-limited auth on the Find My API”?

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Post by aiisascam »

luk212 wrote: post #21

Very Apple-ish approach to AI catch up: wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture, embed into the OS and productize the orchestration layer. It will be interesting to see if the Private Cloud Compute + on-device routing can make third-party model capabilities feel like a first-party system without leaking user context to the model provider. If Apple handles the Google-Apple boundary right, this will be an elega…

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Post by AnggaSP »

ErneX wrote: post #261
skynotblue wrote: post #217

A lot of people are missing that Google is light years ahead in terms of edge AI. They've been going on about it even before the GPT-craze. Pixel phones have had live captions (on edge transcriber) for a while.

Apple ships iPhones with their neural engine since 2017.

Yet they’re lacking in the model spaces.

Things changed since Apple Intelligence but I was hoping there’ll be more things like live captions and what-not than chatbot use cases. I feel pixel is also moving towards that and abandoning the old way unfortunately.

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Post by pokstad »

kube-system wrote: post #98
bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

> what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. It's a 3B Apple Foundation model. https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-apple... If you've got a mac, you can use this to play around with it: https://apfel.franzai.com/

That’s really neat. I wonder if that model that shipped recently with Chrome is also accessible similarly?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by SilverSlash »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #284
skynotblue wrote: post #217

A lot of people are missing that Google is light years ahead in terms of edge AI. They've been going on about it even before the GPT-craze. Pixel phones have had live captions (on edge transcriber) for a while.

How good is their offline (on-device) ai offering?

Very good. Just look at Gemma 4.
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