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U.S. DOJ demands Apple and Google unmask over 100k users of car-tinkering app

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So what? It's anti-social behavior. What thought does the deleted diesel truck driver give to his fellow citizens, whose otherwise reliable respiratory systems are weakened and made more susceptible to failure by toxic fumes and particulates?

I'm realizing a lot of folks in this thread do not understand diesel emissions systems at all and why you might want to delete one.

What are your thoughts on climate change?

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Vehicle regulation in the US is piss poor. Here's the full list of states that require all passenger vehicles to be inspected for safety and emissions every year: * New York * Massachussets * Vermont

I wouldn’t say it’s piss poor in the entire US just because it is draconian in those 3 states.

I don't understand how desiring less air pollution and safer vehicles is draconian. Driving is a big responsibility; it's one of the primary causes of death for Americans and it's one of the primary causes of poor air quality.

The reason we don't view it with the gravity it deserves is because driving is required. For most people, the options are drive or be homeless.

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Doing an intentional act, vs a passive outcome is two differing things

Blowing smoke in someone’s face can be very intentional and nobody would ever make news or be arrested for doing it to some passerby

Blowing smoke in someone's face is very little smoke in practice, because air is a thing. Also, realistically, you're not getting cancer from someone blowing smoke in your face.

Smokers get cancer because they smoke tens of thousands of cigarettes. You won't get cancer because you kind of smoked .1 cigarettes. Also, the majority of lifetime smokers don't even get lung cancer.

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I think the wikipedia page downplays how often it's used to try to hurt or annoy cyclists, pedestrians, or anyone who looks liberal/foreign. It's not just anti environmentalists who do it, it's a general MAGA thing.

I’m sorry, but while I’m sure there’s a few people on earth who have intentionally done this…to imagine its happening around you all the time vs people being just lazy about issues on their vehicle…is quite frankly lunacy. It’s always fascinating to run across the MAGA-style conspiracy theories on the far left, they’re ironically very similar. “I get coal rolled every time in step on my bike!”

I have had people tell me to my face that they try to run cyclists off the road. You know, just casual attempted murder.

That's what people have told me. You are seriously underestimating how much some people hate cyclists.

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Blowing smoke in someone’s face can be very intentional and nobody would ever make news or be arrested for doing it to some passerby

Blowing smoke in someone's face is very little smoke in practice, because air is a thing. Also, realistically, you're not getting cancer from someone blowing smoke in your face. Smokers get cancer because they smoke tens of thousands of cigarettes. You won't get cancer because you kind of smoked .1 cigarettes. Also, the majority of lifetime smokers don't even get lung cancer.

Largely because there's so many other tobacco and nicotine related diseases to get instead:

  A full range of scientific evidence, extending from the molecular level to whole populations, supports the conclusion that secondhand smoke causes disease. The scope of this evidence is enormous, and encompasses not only the literature on secondhand smoke but also relevant findings on active smoking and on the toxicity of individual tobacco smoke components.
* The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44321/

356 links to supporting studies and works

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This "car-tinkering app" is used as a glorified GameShark for deleting factory emissions controls, I don't feel sorry for anyone who uses this to roll coal or whatever. Instead of investigating everyone on the list of users of this app, should the government instead ban diesel engines knowing their emissions controls software will be defeated? Should environmental regulations be relaxed? What is really the solution h…

Or, I don't know, enforce current laws on the books and have cops do their job? I've watched traffic code enforcement drop to essentially non-existent numbers largely because apathetical agencies and "officer safety" concerns. I'd rather they go after people actively rolling coal instead of violating the rights of thousands of Americans like me.

Cops are worthless but, more importantly, they have huge leverage. They can just stop policing at any time as a form of protest, and departments regularly do that. The system needs fundamental reform.

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I'm realizing a lot of folks in this thread do not understand diesel emissions systems at all and why you might want to delete one.

Site full of hackers who would fight to the death over open source and their ability to run their computers the way they want to, but when it’s about car enthusiasts instead of computer enthusiasts, suddenly nobody cares.

I think if you want to modify your car that's great, you should be able to do literally whatever you want... so long as it's still safe to the people around you. Rolling coal is not. I think thats very reasonable.

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Blowing smoke in someone's face is very little smoke in practice, because air is a thing. Also, realistically, you're not getting cancer from someone blowing smoke in your face. Smokers get cancer because they smoke tens of thousands of cigarettes. You won't get cancer because you kind of smoked .1 cigarettes. Also, the majority of lifetime smokers don't even get lung cancer.

Largely because there's so many other tobacco and nicotine related diseases to get instead: A full range of scientific evidence, extending from the molecular level to whole populations, supports the conclusion that secondhand smoke causes disease. The scope of this evidence is enormous, and encompasses not only the literature on secondhand smoke but also relevant findings on active smoking and on the toxicity of indi…

Of course second hand smoke causes disease - we know that. But you have to consider the context in which we attacked that. The second hand smoke they're referring to is nearly constant smoking indoors, which was standard in the past.

Smoking blowing smoke in your face once is one time and outside. It's easily millions of times less smoke exposure than what you're referring to here.

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Largely because there's so many other tobacco and nicotine related diseases to get instead: A full range of scientific evidence, extending from the molecular level to whole populations, supports the conclusion that secondhand smoke causes disease. The scope of this evidence is enormous, and encompasses not only the literature on secondhand smoke but also relevant findings on active smoking and on the toxicity of indi…

Of course second hand smoke causes disease - we know that. But you have to consider the context in which we attacked that. The second hand smoke they're referring to is nearly constant smoking indoors, which was standard in the past. Smoking blowing smoke in your face once is one time and outside. It's easily millions of times less smoke exposure than what you're referring to here.

> Smoking blowing smoke in your face once is one time and outside.

You've had a short life with minimal exposure to smokers then.

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Of course second hand smoke causes disease - we know that. But you have to consider the context in which we attacked that. The second hand smoke they're referring to is nearly constant smoking indoors, which was standard in the past. Smoking blowing smoke in your face once is one time and outside. It's easily millions of times less smoke exposure than what you're referring to here.

> Smoking blowing smoke in your face once is one time and outside. You've had a short life with minimal exposure to smokers then.

I haven't, actually, practically my entire family smokes. But it's very different these days. The amount of second hand smoke I'm exposed to is still, realistically, thousands of not millions of times less than that that the average person would be exposed to a few decades ago. Because there's less smoking in general, and of the smoking left it's done outside.
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