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Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by mcdonje »

stavros wrote: post #257
raincole wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ If out of 720 MEPs, 568 are supporting Chat Control, then yes, I think it's very fair to say "The EU wants...".

If it's been trying to get passed for years and hasn't yet, I think it's fair to say the EU very much doesn't want.

If they can't get it passed because the people don't want it, then why do they keep trying to pass it? Some entities with a lot of power or influence clearly want it. This is the same thing we see in the US. We keep saying "no", and they keep trying.

Maybe the EU people don't want it, but at least some governing body of the EU clearly does.

There's a comment not too far up in this thread saying this is more of a US thing than an EU thing, but it looks like exactly the same pattern from where I'm sitting in the US.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by ohhnoodont »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

The average consumer is also very happy to take recommendations from the tech-literate people in their life. I would love if there was a budget-friendly, privacy-preserving phone I could recommend to everyone.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by dns_snek »

Arch-TK wrote: post #209
dns_snek wrote: post #158

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It's not too late, Samsung is one of the most closed Android OEMs and they're going in the wrong direction. They just removed most of the recovery menu. [1] Google is dead set on taking away our right to run software of our choice on devices that we own. I think if Motorola plays their cards right they could take the geeky enthusiast market by storm, and that's going to snowball into recommendations to friends and fa…

GrapheneOS currently doesn't ship Play Store or Services OOTB. They install as normal apps (albeit with GrapheneOS providing support code to make the fact that these things use/expose custom privileged APIs work correctly). I don't know if the Google TOS would prohibit that, at least I am not aware of any enforcement action against GrapheneOS in this regard. GrapheneOS also doesn't have Google's blessing, meaning som…

That's fair, this would still be a valuable development even if Motorola doesn't end up shipping devices with GrapheneOS preinstalled, but if they did I think there's a lot of potential for them to enter the mainstream. A device with GrapheneOS without any [major] caveats (like Play Integrity API, Google Pay not working) would be a game changer.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by stavros »

mcdonje wrote: post #371
stavros wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's been trying to get passed for years and hasn't yet, I think it's fair to say the EU very much doesn't want.

If they can't get it passed because the people don't want it, then why do they keep trying to pass it? Some entities with a lot of power or influence clearly want it. This is the same thing we see in the US. We keep saying "no", and they keep trying. Maybe the EU people don't want it, but at least some governing body of the EU clearly does. There's a comment not too far up in this thread saying this is more of a US t…

"Someone in the EU wants it" and "the EU wants it" are very different things.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by LtWorf »

fsflover wrote: post #281
LtWorf wrote: post #262

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As long as the banking apps and such work.

When my bank didn't support my phone, I switched the bank, not the phone.

That is sensible. In sweden there's 1 single app to authenticate yourself. Strictly speaking the bank does work without, but A LOT of other stuff doesn't, making life very hard.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by fsflover »

LtWorf wrote: post #375
fsflover wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my bank didn't support my phone, I switched the bank, not the phone.

That is sensible. In sweden there's 1 single app to authenticate yourself. Strictly speaking the bank does work without, but A LOT of other stuff doesn't, making life very hard.

Perhaps you can't get the freedom without fighting for it?

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by bogeholm »

mnmalst wrote: post #55
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #36

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Update policy is one of the largest reason if not THE reason why I didn't pick motorola phone. We had a last Motorola phone which we had to buy a new one solely because the last phone hadn't received updates even though the hardware was top notch and we needed an particular app (also its battery was a bit of issue) So with them partnering up with graphene, I am super excited too. Motorola phones are also pretty price…

I am exited as well but the OS is only one part of the equation. If the firmware BLOBs don't get updates we still have a problem. I really hope this cooperation means that Motorola commits to longer support for gOS devices.

> firmware BLOBs

Nitpick, but it’s just ‘blob’ as in ‘a big blob of bytes’. It’s not an acronym or abbreviation for anything :)

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by mcdonje »

stavros wrote: post #374
mcdonje wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they can't get it passed because the people don't want it, then why do they keep trying to pass it? Some entities with a lot of power or influence clearly want it. This is the same thing we see in the US. We keep saying "no", and they keep trying. Maybe the EU people don't want it, but at least some governing body of the EU clearly does. There's a comment not too far up in this thread saying this is more of a US t…

"Someone in the EU wants it" and "the EU wants it" are very different things.

Synecdoche. The EU governmental body is acting like it wants it.
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