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Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by ergocoder »

jacquesm wrote: post #311

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

> It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is.

So, your prediction is "anything is possible".

I gotta say nobody can disagree with that.

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Post by SecretDreams »

unionjack22 wrote: post #271

Here's a trick I've learnt to get an authentic view of events like these, a nice way to parse through the keyboard warrior and ivory tower voices and noise is to hear what Venezuelans, the millions of Venezuelan migrants, and the citizens of neighboring countries who've had to reckon with the legacy of Chavez think about this. You can extend this to anything really with good results. No valuable insight will be glean…

The fish celebrate when the bear is hunted. It does not mean order has been restored to the wild.

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Post by DecoySalamander »

ghusto wrote: post #237

Non-USA citizen here. What's going on? I just woke up to this madness, and have heard nothing about it prior to today. Has this come as a surprise to everyone in the USA too, or were there murmurings leading up to it? What was the reason given? I'm presuming there was _something_, even if it was clearly nonsense?

It's not entirely unexpected - you must have missed the recent deployment of the US Navy in the region, which looked like a naval blockade. But this operation is certainly daring - far more impressive than simply blowing Maduro up with a drone strike, which I personally expected.

It's justified by portraying Maduro as a drug kingpin responsible for the fentanyl epidemic in the US. He is also blamed for some gang activity.

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Post by ergocoder »

jmward01 wrote: post #161

This is illegal, immoral, unsupported by the vast majority of the US population and requiring immediate action by every US citizen and elected official.

> the vast majority of the US population

Well, it's hard to know whether it's true

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Post by carefulfungi »

xvector wrote: post #358

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Does fact that Congress, not the President, has the power to "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water" matter? Or is the constitution not what you voted for?

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Post by paulcole »

jacquesm wrote: post #311

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

Who is already seeing this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day?

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Post by pqtyw »

jacquesm wrote: post #311

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

Considering the extreme amount of crime and violence that currently exists in Venesuela removing it's government without being able to put anything in its place will not be pretty at all...

Without a full military occupation it might just turn into another Haiti just on a much bigger scale. Of course US will probably have to intervene to "secure" the oil industry...

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