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Re: Tinkering is a way to acquire good taste

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Post by fogj094j0923j4 »

stavros wrote: post #74

Decades ago, an old friend told me "I became a coffee expert, I learned everything there is to learn about beans, the ways to prepare them, the chemistry that goes into it, and now I can only enjoy a cup of coffee prepared by the most expensive machines from the most expensive beans. The shit part is that I enjoy it just as much as I enjoyed my shitty supermarket coffee back when I didn't know anything about coffee."…

I wonder what they are doing now because specialty coffee was just starting to get traction 15 years ago, the scene is still evolving now.

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Post by fogj094j0923j4 »

stavros wrote: post #74

Decades ago, an old friend told me "I became a coffee expert, I learned everything there is to learn about beans, the ways to prepare them, the chemistry that goes into it, and now I can only enjoy a cup of coffee prepared by the most expensive machines from the most expensive beans. The shit part is that I enjoy it just as much as I enjoyed my shitty supermarket coffee back when I didn't know anything about coffee."…

yeah but you can't tell what good is because you was not exposed to enough good TV. Taste and perception is much more of a developed skill than people realize.

Most often, people deliberately choose not to pursue a special interests area because of limited time / budget rather than a lack of perception for what is "good".

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Post by crazybonkersai »

stavros wrote: post #74

Decades ago, an old friend told me "I became a coffee expert, I learned everything there is to learn about beans, the ways to prepare them, the chemistry that goes into it, and now I can only enjoy a cup of coffee prepared by the most expensive machines from the most expensive beans. The shit part is that I enjoy it just as much as I enjoyed my shitty supermarket coffee back when I didn't know anything about coffee."…

Ignorance is bliss and cheap taste is the best one. This is the reason why I have been reluctant to learn about wines. I am satisfied with cheap wines and I would like to keep that way

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Post by crazybonkersai »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #291
cyrialize wrote: post #281

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I absolutely agree. If you look at my github, you might think I don't program all that much. If you look at my ~/Code folder on my PC, you might think I program too much. Tinkering with fun little projects has made me a better programmer and understand my language (Ruby) much better.

I put many of these into GH anyways because who knows when someone else might find it useful. https://github.com/CharlieDigital?tab=repositories

How do you deal with issues and feature requests? I used to put stuff on github, but nowadays I keep one off things mostly to myself. I don't want to do any support to strangers for things I have no interest in.

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Post by jorvi »

criddell wrote: post #295
jorvi wrote: post #201

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Yeah, that's a horrible way to enjoy life. By your reasoning, you should subsist on protein blocks and watch paint dry for entertainment. By lowering the bar to the absolute lowest threshold, you'll classify everything as enjoyable. The pareto principle holds strong. Just put 20% of the effort in and you reap 80% of the results.

I get what they are trying to say. Looking for negatives is the problem. When I was in college I got into beer. I was brewing at home and whenever I went out I was looking for something new and tasting it like I was a beer critic. It was great fun at first, but then the more refined my palate got, the less I found myself being able to find beer I enjoyed. Like if I went to a hockey game, I'd complain about the only c…

I mean, I'm not advocating for snobbery or being a critic at all.

One time I was walking around Belgium in the rain, I was cold and every single restaurant or bar (some serve food) was packed and wouldn't let new patrons in.

After walking around for about 35 minutes we found a cozy bar, had a beer, and discovered that they had a big pot of spicy pasta in the back, where you could pay €1 to ladle full a plate. In my memory, that is still the best meal I've ever tasted. And I'm definitely a haute cuisine enjoyer, been to a fair bit of Michelin restaurants.

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Post by MangoToupe »

jpfromlondon wrote: post #303
MangoToupe wrote: post #284

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Is there any place on earth that has good coffee? Italy's coffee is horrible , even if they have quality machines to make it with. 99% of people will use "ille" or whatever that brand is, which is far worse than starbucks worst roast. Meanwhile I can wander down the street in the US and find better sourced and roasted beans than I could find anywhere in europe.

>Meanwhile I can wander down the street in the US and find better sourced and roasted beans than I could find anywhere in europe. You must know the place you live very well, I was excited to try coffee in New York when I lived in Manhattan given it was essentially responsible for popularising the current trend in western coffee culture. I had many local coffee snobs directing me to places all over the city and I foun…

Perhaps europeans are simply used to burnt coffee

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Post by jpfromlondon »

MangoToupe wrote: post #376
jpfromlondon wrote: post #303

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>Meanwhile I can wander down the street in the US and find better sourced and roasted beans than I could find anywhere in europe. You must know the place you live very well, I was excited to try coffee in New York when I lived in Manhattan given it was essentially responsible for popularising the current trend in western coffee culture. I had many local coffee snobs directing me to places all over the city and I foun…

Perhaps europeans are simply used to burnt coffee

the opposite, the ubiquity of burnt mud in every office coffee warmer seems to have dulled the American palate, that or the over abundance of artificial ingredients in everything, to the extent that they simply cannot discern what good coffee is, because it's either that or coffee that looks like the water from a particularly detail oriented miniature painting session; scant colour, scant aroma.

I will admit of course that the French seem to enjoy charcoal, and when in my teens I worked as at a shop the beans that were left too long in the roaster were usually marked as "French Roast"

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Post by nicbou »

stavros wrote: post #74

Decades ago, an old friend told me "I became a coffee expert, I learned everything there is to learn about beans, the ways to prepare them, the chemistry that goes into it, and now I can only enjoy a cup of coffee prepared by the most expensive machines from the most expensive beans. The shit part is that I enjoy it just as much as I enjoyed my shitty supermarket coffee back when I didn't know anything about coffee."…

I deliberately avoided fancy coffee because I didn't want to raise that bar and add a chore to my mornings, but last year I finally caved in. A friend asked incredulously "why wouldn't you want to enjoy something more?"

In hindsight it was dumb. I love the little ritual of making coffee. I finally notice coffee, the same way I notice good carpentry and art. It added another layer of understanding and appreciation to life.

Art is all about the shortcuts you choose to take to represent reality on a canvas. I think that life is the opposite. It's all about what you choose to complicate, to be deliberate about.

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Post by CharlieDigital »

sbarre wrote: post #363
CharlieDigital wrote: post #324

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Which direction are you headed? C# -> TS? Or vice versa?

I'm curious to learn C# for a hobby project, and I know Typescript well enough so this feels like a good place to start if you use it as a reference?

It's the perfect place to start!

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Post by z500 »

ehnto wrote: post #370
z500 wrote: post #296

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That would be the butyric acid.

It's what gives US chocolate the "vomit/bile" taste uncommon in other chocolate. I am guessing it becomes acquired or unnoticeable taste for people who eat it a lot but man is it a shock if you usually eat chocolate without it! I have no idea why they use it, but I can think of one really good reason why they shouldn't, your product probably shouldn't have "hints of vomit" in its flavour profile.

I mean it's also in cheese. People just aren't used to the weird tang, and I don't blame them. I can tolerate it but Hershey's isn't exactly my favorite haha
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