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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by CraigRood »

bonoboTP wrote: post #224
harrisoned wrote: post #179

> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...

I'm confused by your statement as the article suggests you can get a boarding pass via email.

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Post by monksy »

201984 wrote: post #65
izacus wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My EU country allows tapping the ID card on a NFC reader on PC for verification. No smartphone needed for desktop use. Why wouldn't that be sufficient?

Most PCs don't have NFC readers.

Smart card readers are normal in Israel on desktops.

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Post by vikarti »

sjw987 wrote: post #87
pessimizer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been saying this for years: eventually not having your phone on you and powered up at all times will not be a crime, but it will be grounds for questioning and search. One day, there will be a knock on your door. "Good morning, this is the police. Is there something wrong with your phone? Is your phone broken? Can we provide you with a charge?" "No, I must have turned it off accidentally." "Can we assist you wit…

I think you're exactly right, and the groundwork is being laid today by the standards society is setting for everybody. People will assume a lack of phone or the presence of a phone but lack of usage / content on it, makes you guilty of some sort of crime similar to owning a burner phone. Tell somebody you use your phone less than 10 minutes a day and look at their face change.

Scroogled, by Cory Doctorow comes to mind.

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Post by vikarti »

pessimizer wrote: post #15
cenamus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further forcing everybody to have their phone on person at all times

I've been saying this for years: eventually not having your phone on you and powered up at all times will not be a crime, but it will be grounds for questioning and search. One day, there will be a knock on your door. "Good morning, this is the police. Is there something wrong with your phone? Is your phone broken? Can we provide you with a charge?" "No, I must have turned it off accidentally." "Can we assist you wit…

Possible option(will it BE Option?): EU:Here is my phone. Yes, it's working. It's chinese one with Huawei's Harmony OS, photos are great. or it's Russian one, I really like Pushkin so decided to get their model. Russia: Here is my phone. Yes,it's google pixel with GrapheneOS (it's more secure - Mother Russia is danger so everyone must be vigilant! I banking app via RuStore). USA: Here is my phone. I really like French. it's phone with with stock e/OS Point is - if it's impossible NOT to be observed - you (for now) still have choice which security service will observe you. $NOT_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCE security services/police is unlikely to arrest $CITIZENS_OF_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCE without $NOT_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCEtroops be here FIRST (and you will knew it). Only potential threat is that $NOT_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCE could try to be interoperable with each other

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Post by raxxorraxor »

harrisoned wrote: post #179

> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

Developers contributing to that project should be ashamed. I am sadly situated in Europe and the crap the EU pushes out recently with chat control, bad ID solutions and censorship doesn't match what democracies should expect.

Not going to use the app of course. If that restricts me I will seek to route around this censorship and share with others. This crap has to be resisted.

Stupid project, stupid design, stupid continent.

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

XorNot wrote: post #296
wkat4242 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A BIG reason these companies like Ryanair want you to use their app its that it's much easier to collect data about you than through a website :(

No, it's a cost cutting measure. App-only reduces support and development costs with whoever they're outsourcing this too. There's a line item which basically said "mobile web" and they wanted it gone to save some number of dollars per year.

I don’t often log in to HN to comment, but when I do it’s usually when I see this type of comment.

You can always spot them by the first word being “No” or “False” followed by a confidently asserted yet hilariously incorrect statement.

I suggest reading this [0] and approaching these discussions with more humility in the future. As you yourself stated, you’re an SRE, not a security expert, yet this forum is full of them.

0: https://peabee.substack.com/p/everyone-knows-what-apps-you-u...

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Post by vikarti »

mrtksn wrote: post #309
lucb1e wrote: post #287

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I can't find which document it was specifically, but I seem to remember that the hackers' ethos always been that it doesn't matter who you are, what your title is or skin looks like, but that your arguments are to be valued by its merit rather than by who says it. Age seems like another one of these properties you are stuck with

I agree with that, I'm not arguing for discrediting arguments by age and ask for authority of the elders or something of that sort. Age provides context, it's helpful with facilitating the conversation in a healthier manner. Just the other day I was having an intense argument with someone on reddit, at some point it occurred to me that they don't understand because they are too young(checked the profile, definitely s…

Sometimes I wish I'm able to knew things like this in discussion: - is person legally adult(not necessary due to being of age, emancipation is also ok, people who do emancipation usually more...adult) - how much education person really have? (it's _usually_ pointless to discuss anything related to science with children from middle school)

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Post by hulitu »

XorNot wrote: post #296
wkat4242 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A BIG reason these companies like Ryanair want you to use their app its that it's much easier to collect data about you than through a website :(

No, it's a cost cutting measure. App-only reduces support and development costs with whoever they're outsourcing this too. There's a line item which basically said "mobile web" and they wanted it gone to save some number of dollars per year.

> No, it's a cost cutting measure

Only marketed as such. Selling user data generates revenue. Win-win

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