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The wallet app can be started using a QR code. You can then finish the verification on your phone and continue on the desktop website/app/whatever.
What if you don't have a phone? Or what if your phone runs a custom rom and can't pass google's attlestation?
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> I am frankly baffled that an organization having the principles and know-how of the EU can even think of gating access to information with something so slipshod. That doesn't surprise me at all. Principles in a government body don't exist. They are all crooks.
It doesn't surprise me either, because I'd never be able to use a phrase like "the principles and know-how of the EU" with a straight face. (To be fair, you could replace "the EU" with almost any large bureaucracy.)
> combat social exclusion and discrimination
[1] https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...
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Further forcing everybody to have their phone on person at all times
I've been saying this for years: eventually not having your phone on you and powered up at all times will not be a crime, but it will be grounds for questioning and search. One day, there will be a knock on your door. "Good morning, this is the police. Is there something wrong with your phone? Is your phone broken? Can we provide you with a charge?" "No, I must have turned it off accidentally." "Can we assist you wit…
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The insane question here is, why would the EU mandate hardware attestation controlled by two private American companies in order to access services? That seems completely contrary to the spirit of EU laws and regulations, which tend to be about protecting the consumer, preventing monopolies, ensuring people can generally live their lives where all things that are mandatory are owned and ran by the state and foster a…
The app this discussion is about is a reference implementation that is part of a long-term process for building a digital identity app. Specifically, this discussion is about the age verification part of the app, which is the first part expected to be finished but is also only a small part of a much wider ideal. Europe's dependence on American tech is a major pain point but realistically, there are only two smartphon…
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The app this discussion is about is a reference implementation that is part of a long-term process for building a digital identity app. Specifically, this discussion is about the age verification part of the app, which is the first part expected to be finished but is also only a small part of a much wider ideal. Europe's dependence on American tech is a major pain point but realistically, there are only two smartphon…
But you could do attestation on GrapheneOS, no need to require the users to have Google spyware preinstalled. Google is abusing its position here, attestation should be to verify the security model, not Google's business model..
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My EU country allows tapping the ID card on a NFC reader on PC for verification. No smartphone needed for desktop use. Why wouldn't that be sufficient?
Most PCs don't have NFC readers.
I finally took a look at the DSA, and it only mentions anything relevant to age verification in three places: - Recital 71, which vaguely suggests minors' privacy and security should be extra-protected, but says that services shouldn't process extra personal data to identify them. - Article 28, which says that platforms should provide a high level of "privacy, safety, and security of minors", again without processing…
The digital identity wallet isn't part of the DSA; it is part of an effort to bring identity to your phone, basically: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... If implemented according to plan, things like ID cards, drivers' licenses, diplomas, train tickets, and even payment control can be handled within such apps entirely digitally. Aside from age verification, with attribute based authentica…
That doesn't make sense because the government knows about every vehicle and its owner and his social security number and there is no point to hide it. I think you misunderstood something or I misunderstood your comment.
The goal of "bringing identity to your phone" is making identification easier to require it in more cases so that the government knows better what its citizens do. One thing if you are required to fill a 20 fields form to buy a bicycle and another thing if you need just to tap your phone at the cash register.
This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale.
At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is increasing though, which worries me a lot, and day after day there is a new attempt to shove it down your throat if you want to be considered a member of society. Seeing that a lot of countries (including mine) are pushing for age verification, and the whole thing about Android blocking 'sideload', by the end of 2026 you won't be considered a human being without a government certified smartphone.