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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Posted elsewhere in this thread, it appears that ladybird does not have a great record in this dept. https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity...

Wow, ok, now I'm actually quite interested in Ladybird seeing that they're actually serious and focused on their goal. Wish I could say the same for Mozilla. Been using Firefox for decades but can only imagine how much better it would be if the resources were allocated properly.

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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In practical reality, Chromium is a downstream less-googled fork of Chrome. First they decide what they want to put into Chrome, and then they put the less-googled parts of that into Chromium.

While I agree with you, as indicated by my comment about Google having de facto control, the terms upstream or downstream when discussing forking an open source codebase has specific meaning. Chromium is not a downstream forked that has ripped all the google pieces out. It is the upstream codebase that Google then builds all their telemetry and other Google shenanigans into. If we're discussing someone else forking C…

Some of the "evil" isn't the Google stuff, but rather "standards" that Google is pushing or dropping support for without the support of the other members of the consortium and just as present in Chromium as it is in Chrome.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

Yeah I don't get it. Why can't you just install that stuff on Arch?

If Windows came with all that crap preinstalled we'd call it bloatware.

Very very weird finding choice. There must be hundreds of better strategic investments that could be made. Thousands even.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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It is late here so maybe I missed it in the article ... but what exactly do they mean with support for Ladybird? Giving them free coffee or developers or money? If yes, how much?

Cloudflare is listed as a Platinum sponsor on the Ladybird website (https://ladybird.org). Also from their website:

What are the sponsor tiers?

Platinum USD $100,000

Gold USD $50,000

Silver USD $10,000

Bronze USD $5,000

Copper USD $1,000 (no logo, text only)

Sponsorships run for one year, then you are welcome to renew.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Does Omarchy offer anything other than opinionated dotfiles? These have always existed.

It basically is opinionated dotfiles and a few scripts, though that's a bit of a reductive take. The killer feature of Omarchy is how accessible and streamlined it is. You can set up your own arch+hypr environment in a weekend of tweaking and fiddling assuming basic Linux competency, or you can use Omarchy and get where you want to be in 10 minutes with no tweaking or fiddling. If you want is the outcome of the fiddl…

I'm surprised so many people who want to use Arch aren't in it for the fiddling.

I've had publicly installable dotfiles with a "1 command and ~5 minutes later" you have your development environment set up for a few years now. It is command line focused since my main box is running WSL 2 with Arch Linux. The script works for Debian, Ubuntu, Arch and macOS since I use a work laptop that's running a MBP.

It was a lot of fun building things up and learning about the process as I went.

When I got a laptop to install native Linux a little while back, Omarchy was just coming out and I figured ok since I will want a solution to trick out a window manager / DE I'll want more than command line tools so I took a look.

I ended up avoiding it for a few reasons but the main one was I don't want to ask for permission or maintain a fork to deviate from the Omarchy defaults that cannot be customized without a fork.

I love Rails and the philosophy behind it but I don't think the same model applies to something as intimate and personal as your OS. Your OS is more like a custom application made for you, especially if you're going down the Arch (or Linux in general) route.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Omarchy sounds very compelling (though I'm personally done with trying to run Linux on the desktop), but tiling window managers are just not very practical, for numerous reasons. DHH would be wise to also offer and optimize non-tiling WM setups.

> tiling window managers are just not very practical, for numerous reasons What reasons? I've been using tilling window managers for years now, and I feel like it's 1995 whenever I need to deal with dragging and maximizing windows.

I agree with the gp. I like some aspects of tiling vms but gave up after a while.

The main pain points for me were

1) I often end up with two windows each taking a side of the screen leaving basically nothing of interest in the centre. So I end up jumping through some tetris-like hoops to make a window be centered.

2) If I close any window all the others move, often causing a repeat of problem 1

3) apps not supporting it properly causing weird graphical glitches

4) some apps should never be small windows, others never large.

Basically I ended up spending more time managing windows with a tiling vm than I ever did before, which eventually outweighed the benefits.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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If/when Apple is forced to start allowing Blink on iOS globally, all it takes is a hearty marketing push from Google and devs putting “best viewed in Chrome” badges on their sites for Safari’s marketshare (and with it, Apple’s influence) to plummet.

Given how AMP eventually died, it seems unlikely that web developers would go along with it. What’s in it for them? Also, I don’t see any sign that Google even wants to do it? This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.”

So in the enterprise world, it has been common for years for companies to "only support Chrome" even on iOS, where it's just skinned Safari. I have constantly had to call vendors mean names and point out how obviously iOS support means they are Webkit/standards-compliant. This is how I know, in fact, these websites will also work on Firefox. Apple's annoying iPhone monopoly is the last thing protecting the open web as needing to be standards-compliant.

The moment iPhones aren't allowed to force browsers to use Webkit (the EU is already pushing for this), the open web dies. There will no longer be any draw for web developers to develop for standards instead of developing for Chrome.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Given how AMP eventually died, it seems unlikely that web developers would go along with it. What’s in it for them? Also, I don’t see any sign that Google even wants to do it? This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.”

> This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.” Please read Mozilla's story on how Google sabotaged them: https://archive.is/tgIH9 Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer: https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6 Oh. And Google's mobile apps always conveniently forget the setting of "always use system browser and never ask me",…

How well do Gmail and Google Docs work on Firefox today?
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