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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by twoodfin »

alaxhn wrote: post #262
therouwboat wrote: post #219

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But Trump adminstration is so much worse here, they ban stuff based on word lists and kick people with wrong ideas out of the country.

In the hiring process for these institutions, until recently you had to write a "Diversity Statement" which was evaluated as part of the hiring process. This was an attempt to keep people with the "wrong ideas" out of the hiring pool. Similarly the H1B process asks you a long list of questions that you are required to answer "correctly" in order to be admitted. If you fail, you are kicked out. I think the question is…

I think it’s also reasonable to want to see some assurance that Harvard has reckoned with the frankly racist and discriminatory admissions policy that was well-documented in the filings for Students for Fair Admissions @ SCOTUS.

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Post by computerthings »

neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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Post by Rapzid »

josefritzishere wrote: post #101

I find Trump's behavior to be incoherent. In some quarters he's virtually an anarcho-capitalist. In others, like this, he's anti-capitalist, intensely regulating a private business for no actual benefit.

Trump honest to God thought the literal letters "MS13" were tattooed on that guy's hands and Terry Morgan was gaslighting him..

I don't think Trump is really running the show here.

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Post by soupfordummies »

neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

It's hard for me to see this as anything more than "they resisted Trump, that pissed him off and now he's further retaliating."

Side question I've been wrestling with to whoever feels like commenting: At what point would you look at our current US situation and say "yep, we're now in a dictatorship"

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Post by FridayoLeary »

michaelhoney wrote: post #320
FridayoLeary wrote: post #314

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Which conservative ideas do you think aren’t being represented? The current US administration is a criminal enterprise which is actively destroying the nation.

It's sad then the majority of voters think that that is still better then the Democrats being in charge.

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Post by bloomingeek »

ar813 wrote: post #10

If they can do this to Harvard, what hope do other universities have?

Great question, right to the heart of the matter. First higher learning, somewhere down the line, ordinary people? In my small world, I'm very clear I'm anti-trump on every issue. As an ordinary person, how long before I get on some Stalin type radar? If trump lobbies for and gets a third term, will there be an awakening to how far the abuse will go?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

scoofy wrote: post #284
Workaccount2 wrote: post #102

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The problems at Harvard and other high ed organizations are real. They've become pretty unhinged and concentrated, they really need to work on getting back to "open forum for discussing all ideas" rather than the "Open forum for discussing all correct ideas" that they have drifted into. I can see it first hand through my mother, who works at a major school. That being said, republicans decided to chose an M1 Abrams t…

That isn't actually relevant to the policy being discussed.

Trump is a child, he doesn't have diversified, compartmentalized thoughts. Harvard is "woke" and he will use any avenue to blast shells at it.

Don't give the guy the credit of being a reasonable adult.

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Post by JohnMakin »

scandox wrote: post #364
nashashmi wrote: post #312

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Your hatred is clouding your judgement. It is very clear that the issue of the protests is being used by an American government to pursue a much broader agenda. Israel and antisemitism are merely the most convenient instrument. But since you are trapped in (charitably) a prejudicial mind bubble you can only see this as further proof of a tiny group of people somehow controlling everything...

Protesting the actions of the Israeli government is not anti-semitic.

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Post by lenerdenator »

9dev wrote: post #350
neilv wrote: post #313

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I mean that alumni are invested in the prestige of the alma mater, and in the network they have through that. Also, that some people at the universities are very connected, and can get a lot of people on the phone.

But why stick your head out? The people you’re referring to got where they are now by being ruthless, egocentric, power-hungry opportunists; these kinds of people don’t risk their careers over some vague sense of gratitude for their Alma mater.

Some might feel like challenging the silverback because, well, they're ruthless, egocentric, power-hungry opportunists.

On the other hand this could just be seen as aristocracy battling it out over who's more aristocratic while the rest of us trudge on, so...

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Post by 354g_24 »

josefresco wrote: post #299
decimalenough wrote: post #169

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I don't think the Trump admin gives a rat's ass about Jews. It's an excuse for legal action, in the same way that "fentanyl" was the excuse for tariffs on Canada.

Top donor in the last 3 elections (combined) to Trump is Adelson Clinic/Miriam Adelson. She didn't spend all that money for nothing.

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