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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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You seem to put people in the category of "born here, so good" and "birn elsewhere, less good". Fair enough. If you are a supporter of, say, Trump you therefore say that Biden or Harris are much better than any other, naturalized citizen, as presidents? It's hard to see the logic here, probably because I am an idiot, but if where you were birn defines the man for you then fine - everyone has their opinion.

it's so unamerican it is part of the constitution that defines america and deliberately placed there by the founding fathers. i'm sure they were concerned that the king would try to undermine the new country the first chance he got by placing someone loyal to the crown to undo all of the work that led to the constitution. it's not a good better best situation like you seem to think. at this point, i really think the…

> it's so unamerican it is part of the constitution that defines america and deliberately placed there by the founding fathers.

Apparently, as of last year, the constitution also says that the president is actually above the law. Given that they've written it after having just gotten rid of a king, I'm assuming they also put that part in deliberately. Truly, their wisdom and foresight was boundless.

It's an interesting document, but as time passes, its practical uses seem to become more and more limited. We're now at the 'people are getting disappeared into a gulag in El Salvador because the president decided they are criminals' stage, by the way. No judge, no jury, just an executive order that makes a person go away, and no mechanism to stop it from happening.

(I don't actually have strong opinions about that provision. It's certainly saving us from, heaven forbid, a Musk presidency, but only by an utterly uninteresting accident of his birth. People like him aren't foreign adversaries, trying to subvert the country, they are domestic adversaries, who bear no allegiance but to themselves.)

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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In Romania you had the constitution and constitutional court involved. The sentiment in Romania is that we do not want a Russian puppet as president, this seems to differ in USA. But let me inform you that MAGAs and president Elon did not like what the constitutional court decided (if only they knew the guy they supported is a conspirationist that thinks Trump is a joke and faked his shooting in the ear and 911 was a…

> The sentiment in Romania is that we do not want a Russian puppet as president, this seems to differ in USA. The “constitutional court” is a joke. They made a decision under pressure form the EU. They made a completely unprincipled decision to deny the people of Romania their right to vote. They realized at the last minute that a redo of the election would result in the same outcome according to polls, which is why…

That is your biased opinion.

The constitution demands fair elections declaring ZERO campaign money while in secret getting cacs from a mercenary, getting cars and protection from the same mercenary invalidates the marketing claim he used ZERO money.

Other undeclared funds were spend to pay TikTok influencers to produce content for Kremlinescu , content that was not labeled as sponsored but the inflencers pretended to do it for free

Then TikTok bot farms were used to share the paid TikTok content , there is enough evidence and TikTok also admitted that there were bots and that political content as still pushed in the days where it is illegal to do this.

He was also disqualified because he and his fascist mercenary friend attempted a violent coup.

If you are a MAGA I need to remind you that he shit a lot on Trump, and USA so either Elon is stupid to push so hard for Kremlinescu or is because Ptin is demanding it.

There are more facts to show this guys character of a traitor slut, like admiring Putin, sucking on Trump after he shit on him, dening video proof for months until he had to admit it

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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The really interesting news here is that in Turkey you need a degree to run for president.

Turkish law experts: say some other university grants an honorary degree in response to this. Would that make him compliant again to run for office?

well, if you can arbitrarily nullify degrees, you can also decide the new degree is not valid.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Don't comment about Romania if you are not correctly informed. For Turkey I will wait for judges to decide if what happened was legal.

I am very informed. It’s clear that the Romanian courts succumbed to pressure from the EU, as confirmed by an EU commissioner. The courts fabricated a justification that is weak in order to get the result they wanted. It’s why they slowly stepped from a recount to cancelling the election to banning candidates.

A candidate was ban before Kremlinescu, but guess what Putin and Elon said nothing maybe because she was a woman and not that good looking.

Where was the bot army defending the fascist woman that was desqualified?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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> Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me. Voters can take these things into consideration when casting their ballots. No need to make these choices for them.

I think recent events in the US make it quite clear that voters don't really consider the things that actually matter when electing a president.

Choose your evil:

Elect a dynasty to rule forever

Limit voting rights of group X,Y and Z to get "better" votes

Remain with the rule of the majority system

Elect ChatGPT to rule forever with a "be nice pls" prompt

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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> Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? Whether it is silly or not, I'm not sure, but it certainly doesn't seem very democratic. IMO Arnold Schwarzenegger, to pick a random foreign born politician, should be able to stand for President. People can choose not to vote for him if they've bothered by him being foreign born. FWIW, in Australia, no member of Federal Parliament (so…

I think Arnie is a great example, especially because he was a governor for two terms for one of the richest and most populous states, California. If he was allowed to run for president, he would be an excellent candidate. As a modern compromise, I think the US should allow people who moved to the US before a certain again (maybe 10 or 12) or have lived in the US for 20+ years. If you want to go a little further, you…

> The Australia law caused a bunch of trouble in the last 10 years

It has, although the case you mention isn't really my main worry.

In theory some random rogue state (Hello North Korea!), can just grant all of the Australian parliament citizenship. Suddenly they're all ineligible under the constitution.

That said, I assume modern scholars would make the definition more robust than the 19th C definitions used in Australia (which was an attempt to take the best of the UK and USA models, particularly following the US with regards to being a Federation of States, while still maintaining a proper Westminster system without a "King"/Executive branch like in the USA).

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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> Did you know you need to have a bank account to be eligible to become president of France? In combination with Europe’s PSD2 directive [0], that effectively means you need to have a Google or Apple account to become President of France. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Services_Directive

How do you get from PSD2 to Google/ Apple?

More and more banks have put their money on smartphone apps to implement the 2FA requirement that PSD2 mandates. Turns out that European banks really like that walled-garden thing. Some banks still allow you to use SMS but pressure is mounting to do away with SMS-based 2FA. Other 2FA solutions (e.g. national CAP schemes [0]) are on their way out, too. So are call centers, which used to let you do banking on the phone.

In Europe, you are living in increasingly difficult times if you want to do banking unless you happen to own a smartphone running an OS made by Google or Apple, and to be a customer on their respective app store.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Authentication_Program

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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East and West, No matter what you call this platform or forum, the vast majority of users are from America and Europe. The East is often viewed from an Orientalist perspective in the eyes of the West. However, when it comes to Turkey, it resembles neither the East nor the West. Our electoral system is not like that of the East. There is no fraud or any other kind of manipulation. However, on the road to elections, an…

> There is no fraud or any other kind of manipulation Can you expand on this? Changing the rules or subversive tactics such as getting a degree rescinded seems like that to me.

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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I think in such situations it can be withheld but not withdrawn, it's pretty common for universities to hold back credentials until debts are paid. But once it's been given I think the only scenario which it can be withdrawn is if it was given under fraudulent circumstances. Like a newspaper retraction, it can only be retracted if the original statement was found to be false. The perpetrator should be sued for damage…

> Withdrawing properly received credentials opens the door to yet another extra-judicial punishment and we already have too many of those. I don’t understand why this is even an option? So the degree is never truly owned by the recipient then if it can be withdrawn/ revoked? Just another reason not to invest time and money into it.

Big education is worse than big tech. At least we only add ads to your TV and car instead of straight up yoinking it. /s

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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I wonder why these comments are always written from the imagined perspective of a space invader that has reformed countless planets already...

Colonialism never died, just rebranded. Progressivism started as a movement to empower technocrats to “better” society via social engineering — and as a continuation of US/EU colonialism. They invented the concept of “scientific racism”, forcibly sterilized undesirables, etc. Now their followers destroy native culture, eg Japanese culture, promote a return to systemic racism, etc. And make posts like this, where they…

"Colonialism" and "Islamophobia" are mostly arabic talking points that will never catch on. They don't strike a nerve, they don't bring forth some hidden truth. The underlying principle is: People from different cultures see their own cultures as superior. Most religious Turkish people see themselves as the true representatives of islam due to past Ottoman reign and culture. Most europeans will see their own country as being superior to other countries in europe, and the european civilization to be better than the rest of the world. Chinese will do the same. Almost all arabs do the same. It is basic tribalism, there is no global conspiracy against islam, people just don't like it. So get over it.
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