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Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by Narishma »

hbn wrote: post #290
disqard wrote: post #264

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I don't know why you're being downvoted. This is Microsoft's enshittification, which crossed a personal threshold for me -- "don't worry, everything's right where it was", but subtle nudges to accept further "opt-in"s that are hidden behind UI Dark Patterns. I wonder if Satya is dancing right now...

I literally have to "set up my computer" like 10 times a year now every time there's a seemingly "big enough" update, and it's just carefully navigating menus trying to get me to sign up for Microsoft services and trick me into switching to Edge A couple updates ago they put a bunch of new shit on my lock screen, like stocks and news articles or something, which I disabled immediately. And then the last update made m…

I got tired of that shit years ago and switched to PS5 for gaming and Debian for everything else.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by ungamedplayer »

simonw wrote: post #90
segasaturn wrote: post #65

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My takeaway is that Microsoft has been trying to boil the frog, but slipped and turned the temperature up too quickly. They're retreating for now, but make no mistake that Recall will slowly trickle back into Windows under another name. Every major power broker wants something like Recall to become the norm - bosses to spy on their employees, governments to spy on their citizens/enemies, and tech CEO's to collect tra…

This is a very cynical take. I've not seen anything to make me think this feature is intended for surveillance as opposed to personal utility. The personal utility benefits are very clear to me - the problem is the ease with which malicious attackers might steal the data (if they can breach the system).

I believe that any corporate entity will eventually use any tool at their disposal to optimise profits at the cost of their customer.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by ungamedplayer »

RIMR wrote: post #316
int_19h wrote: post #228

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You are very lucky if you have a choice of OS at work. In any case, something like this wouldn't be hard to implement on Linux. And if Windows normalizes it in corporate environments, rest assured that other parties will offer it for Linux as well.

I could see this implemented as a hypervisor that doesn't care what OS you're running.

Please don't give them ideas.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

999900000999 wrote: post #346
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #341

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I'm genuinely curious to hear an actual musician's take on the following Linux-compatible DAWs: - Reaper - Tracktion Waveform - Bitwig - Fairlight - Zrythm - Ardour As for games, I've been 100% Linux for several years now, and haven't had much trouble. I'm only aware of issues with aggressive anticheat these days, but I refuse to give money to companies that push ring0-spyware anyway.

I haven't used those tools, but Maschine, FL Studio, Akai's MPC(you can use it stand alone, but they heavily push the PC integration,) and Ableton are practically industry standards at this point. You can make music on anything, I'd imagine a skilled producer could do anything I can do in Maschine in Zrythm. But it's a matter of difficulty. Maschine has a series of custom midi instruments which are simply amazing. As…

Not being a user myself, I wouldn't know for sure, but I've heard that Bitwig is the cross-platform answer to Ableton. I've also heard that Reaper is the industry standard in various corners, with sizable market share.

I only know these things from doing light audio work, mostly relating to video editing. In that world, DaVinci Resolve studio seems to be winning, and is thankfully cross-platform. Blackmagic is truly a wonderful company.

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Post by 999900000999 »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #374
999900000999 wrote: post #346

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I haven't used those tools, but Maschine, FL Studio, Akai's MPC(you can use it stand alone, but they heavily push the PC integration,) and Ableton are practically industry standards at this point. You can make music on anything, I'd imagine a skilled producer could do anything I can do in Maschine in Zrythm. But it's a matter of difficulty. Maschine has a series of custom midi instruments which are simply amazing. As…

Not being a user myself, I wouldn't know for sure, but I've heard that Bitwig is the cross-platform answer to Ableton. I've also heard that Reaper is the industry standard in various corners, with sizable market share. I only know these things from doing light audio work, mostly relating to video editing. In that world, DaVinci Resolve studio seems to be winning, and is thankfully cross-platform. Blackmagic is truly…

Bitwig does look interesting.

I think it comes down to wait ultimately matters to you.

Windows hasn't gotten so bad I want to avoid it entirely yet.

I've used Maschine for like a decade, I don't really want to have to learn a new tool just to spite Microsoft.

Plus if you have a job that requires Windows, it gets familiar... The devil you know

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Post by minetest2048 »

999900000999 wrote: post #305
talldayo wrote: post #289

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> I still wouldn't recommend Linux to most normal people. Then I think you're making things hard on yourself. I'm a NixOS user, I know I cannot get everyone to install my specific system with all the bells and whistles. But you could walk a middle-schooler through installing Ubuntu or Fedora; it's easier than setting up an email account. Both Windows and MacOS are slowly rolling down a hill of bloat, surveillance and…

Ubuntu with it's Telemetry and bizarre proprietary Snap store? It's not just the initial install. Eventually for almost every distro I've installed things get rough and you need to use the command line. Want to play Fortnight, well you can't. How about Roblox , might be possible but it's a full comp sci project. The only thing that will ever change this is if Valve comes out with a full laptop. The Steam Deck is the…

> Want to play Fortnight, well you can't. How about Roblox , might be possible but it's a full comp sci project.

Those two games put a code that will intentionally stop them from working if it detects them running on Linux. Justified because (at least in Fortnite case ) they can't install kernel level anticheat.

> The only thing that will ever change this is if Valve comes out with a full laptop.

Unfortunately Valve Laptop won't solve this either, unless if Valve goes against the spirit of Linux and lock it down

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by akira2501 »

SimianSci wrote: post #321

For those who have not been keeping up with recent events. The United States government, is currently reevaluating its relationship with Microsoft due to recent security issues related to Russian and Chinese state-funded attacks. [Microsoft Storm-0558 Incident, cited as a recent example] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2023/07/14/ana... Microsoft recently pledged to improve its security practices throug…

> improve its security practices through incentives to executive pay

Oh! It was lax executive pay that led to the problems.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

phyrex wrote: post #159
appstorelottery wrote: post #150

I'm impressed that Microsoft seems to be listening to the tech community - now if only they would address telemetry I'm back in!

I work on dev tools at my company. Telemetry really helps a ton to figure out if you're prioritizing the right things and if changes that you made are really for the better

Opt-in, or opt-out?

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Post by consumer451 »

slashdave wrote: post #297
consumer451 wrote: post #99

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In addition to direct market reaction, they must be a bit red in the face considering that Apple just laid out a complex and well thought out implementation of "AI", which focused on privacy. As someone who grew up near Redmond, who still has an emotional soft-spot for Microsoft for some reason, I feel truly embarrassed for their implementation.

My suspicion is that Microsoft learned of Apple's effort, thus this rushed, skunkworks implementation, pushed to be released before Apple. The effort backfired spectacularly.

I worry that it's worse. They have been working on this for years, but I think that they may have assumed that their desktop market dominance was so sound, that they just didn't care to put the effort into privacy. What are you going to do, Linux Desktop?

This seems like the general attitude that delivers lackluster solutions across many products, like Teams, SharePoint, etc.

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