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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by badpun »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #257
lucideer wrote: post #252

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> on a path towards electrified transport If not for Tesla, America (& the Western world in general) might not be on a path towards private inefficient electrified road transport, leaving much more room for investment in & upselling of vastly more sustainable non-road transport, as has been done in China. Musk in particular has form here - consistently blocking & derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for t…

> derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for the west coast Musk ran California’s high-speed rail through the Central Valley? I like public transport. But America isn’t built for it. Switching to trains would mean upending and dissolving tens of millions’ communities. There was no other path without EVs and trains galore; it was—and is—between EVs and ICE cars.

Weren't communities dissolved to build the massive highway network US has?

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Post by cde-v »

mattmaroon wrote: post #286
dgellow wrote: post #241

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How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

I guess because most of their competitors are 100 yrs old? Making cars is really, really hard. Tesla’s first mass produced car was only ten years ago, and their top two models 6 and 3 years ago. The average age of their entire fleet is in the low single digits. In the car world that’s just getting started.

By that logic every prostitute runs a startup.

edit: (not really a great example, just wanted to play off of 'the world's oldest profession')

Better example would be calling Macy's a startup because Hudson's Bay Company was founded in the 1600s.

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Post by dmix »

torginus wrote: post #369
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Counterpoint: The new crop of BYD EVs seem to be really well built - up with European/Asian brands in their market segment. They still lag somewhat in other areas (drivetrain efficiency, software, ADAS etc.), but to say that a new company can't build cars well is simply just not true.

HN is suddenly anti-innovation

You must be a 100yr old conglomerate, those companies never do shady things or have failures in quality control.

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Post by gonzo41 »

mattmaroon wrote: post #286
dgellow wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

I guess because most of their competitors are 100 yrs old? Making cars is really, really hard. Tesla’s first mass produced car was only ten years ago, and their top two models 6 and 3 years ago. The average age of their entire fleet is in the low single digits. In the car world that’s just getting started.

Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the nail things like delivery a simple service schedule. Making sure that cars roll of the line with everything tight and having spares ready for consumable parts.

It's not an acceptable excuse to shrug your shoulders and say that they're new at this. The concept of delivering a vehicle isn't new and Telsa has a TON of money.

Change the genre of product to Tech / software engineering. If Telsa was a software company shipping a crap product that broke all the time and then suddenly you found out that they didn't do XYZ of industry standard you'd hold them to account for not taking standard approaches to standard problems.

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Post by thelastgallon »

verisimi wrote: post #312
janoc wrote: post #234

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You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

yes - wouldn't it be lovely to see governments uninvolved in these sorts of market decisions? If the government discounts cars by 25% - that's one thing. But let's not forget too that the greater part of the cost of running a car (the fuel) is mainly made up by tax on the fuel - it itself is an artificial price. Nothing about transport is reflective of the underlying reality. Its simply a governmental chess board, an…

> yes - wouldn't it be lovely to see governments uninvolved in these sorts of market decisions?

I agree. It should start with stopping all fossil fuel subsidies, 7 trillions/year and growing. And ethanol subsides, subsidizing ethanol production on 40m acres, just in US.

And have fossil fuel companies pay for their own military to protect their 6 million assets and 16 million transportation flows[2]. It should be determined by the companies themselves (free market) if these are worth protection, instead of having Govts protect these worldwide. Solar, on the other hand, will not require there protections, it does not depend on the exploration, extraction, shipping, processing, burning, waste output of any fuel. Solar is distributed, on every roof and field, nearly impossible for anyone to invade and destroy.

[1] Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022, an All-Time High: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022

[2] https://github.com/Lkruitwagen/global-fossil-fuel-supply-cha...

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Post by older »

wozniacki wrote: post #207
hmottestad wrote: post #181

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In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

Let me quickly ask you if Norwegians are seeing the same rates of Tesla mishaps as the rest of the world ( or atleast North America )? If you happened to be unaware all of these Tesla-skeptics ( atleast this latest round of skeptics ) are being buoyed by this Reuters report about major problems Tesla owners have faced off late. One describing a new owner's experience with his spanking new Tesla : "The vehicle’s front…

Yes, Tesla cars in Norway has significantly higher fault rate. Here's an article from 2020: https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/tesla-sjaforer-krasjer-mest/7...

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Post by ChumpGPT »

This whole article feels like it was written by a dealership garage publication. You must bring your car in for a 200 point inspection every 6 months so we can look at it and charge you $299.00. I not a Tesla fan boy or will every be a customer but I am sure their cars are more reliable than an ICE vehicle. Jay Leno speaks about how he has driven his Tesla for like 6 years and done absolutely nothing to it, not even brakes Electric Motors last a very long time and are extremely dependable, I have seen with my own eyes, electric motors that have been working for decades reliably with no breakdowns, 10's of 1000's of hours of service powering heavy conveyor belts. No ice engine could do that.

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

hmottestad wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #130

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> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

BMW did bother. They started selling the i3 at the same time then Tesla. And I think it was even better sold then Tesla in the states for some time. Tesla had more aggressive marketing that was hot air at the end of the day …

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Post by fortran77 »

konschubert wrote: post #208
aeyes wrote: post #200

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This is not true, the Leaf was selling in the thousands before Tesla entered the Norwegian market in mid 2013. The Leaf was the best selling car of all new cars in October 2013.

Nobody in this world wants to buy a leaf. (At least not the original model)

It looked and drove like a golf cart. And the range was too small.
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