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Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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Post by soneca »

emodendroket wrote: post #356
soneca wrote: post #342

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I never met a Brazilian who went to Japan and didn’t spontaneously say that things there are so different. I don’t think it’s solely propaganda (if any at all).

They’d probably have the same reaction to America or much of Europe considering you’re talking about two countries with quite different levels of development and standards of living.

No, that’s not it. These people are used to go to the US and Europe and it’s not the same reaction.

It is a mix of development, very different culture (Brazil has a lot of European and US cultural influence), but also safety, institutional efficiency, traditions. Idk, there is a lot of different aspects and things.

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Post by doubled112 »

selcuka wrote: post #338
yaomtc wrote: post #231

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> car safety has drastically improved Safety between cars, and within cars, has improved. However, due to the increasing size of the average vehicle on the road, among other factors, car safety for pedestrians/cyclists has decreased. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

Never mind, misread the comment. I somehow assumed that the driver safety has decreased because of the increasing number of vehicles on roads.

"I'd like to hurt people worse if I hit them with my car" is a strange and brutal take.

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Post by Lazare »

93po wrote: post #150
brookside wrote: post #99

I have never understood how the Consumer Reports model of self(reader)-reported reliability can produce can statistically valid results. There are many biases build in to self-reporting surveys. Longtime Consumer Reports readers who buy a Toyota because they believe it is the most reliable make want their choice to have been correct. Their answers about problems with their car will reflect that.

Data around cars is notoriously complete bullshit. One example is that one of the main metrics used by a very big name, maybe CR, is “reliability compared to * expectations* ”. Obviously cars that people have high expectations for (Teslas) are going to score horribly here even if they are objectively more reliable than other brands. And of course they bury this little fact way down in the info and everyone walks away…

The linked article is pretty explicit about how they calculate it. A detailed explanation is literally the first section.

And as they explain, they ask people about the actual problems they've had in the last 12 months with their car; nothing soft or fuzzy or relative to expectations at all.

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Post by pictureofabear »

gridder wrote: post #187
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #32

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It's incredible how the Japanese carmakers were able to perfect the auto manufacturing process and then proceed to hold that advantage for what, 30+ years now? It's not a secret how they did it, it's been studied to death, every manner of technology/expertise/management transfer has been tried, and still no one comes quite close enough to threaten their position.

It’s thanks to their culture and mentality. You cannot replicate that.

Yes... a lot of people (Americans I guess since I'm American and that's where my anecdotal evidence comes from) think the Japanese are very efficient. They might be in somethings, but their true love is perfection. They love doing things right. Big things, little things... it's a country-wide obsession.

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Post by balderdash »

laurencerowe wrote: post #199

Note that these stats only account for reliability in the first three years: > Then the brand reliability score was calculated by averaging results from 2021 to 2023. As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. It may correlate but these stats are not that!

Totally agree, I want to know what or of warranty cost of ownership is.

Especially since most auto manufacturers only design for say ~10 year reliability. Sure we could make a a part that would last forever, but it’d be heavy (bad for fuel economy) and expensive, so let’s make the lightest and cheapest part that will last about x years (we still want all that spare part revenue too!)

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Post by Lazare »

sharkweek wrote: post #213

My 3rd Gen Toyota 4Runner is old enough to drink and outside of routine maintenance requires almost no thought. "It's time to get a new car" given that car safety has drastically improved and I have two younger kids in that thing a few times a week but I'm honestly having a really hard time giving it up, something so reliable and plainly functional. New cars with all their computers and smart technology only look lik…

Interestingly the article actually calls out the 4Runner as "among the most reliable models in the survey". Apparently the newer model years are still pretty solid!

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Post by pictureofabear »

xyst wrote: post #268

I thought Nissan would rank a bit higher. Somehoe less reliable than a bmw. My Nissan going on 8 yrs now. Only basic maintenance, tire replacement, and battery replacements so far.

I've had pretty good success with my Nissan, but it has some problems. Sunroof leaks are notoriously bad on Nissans. My Honda... no problems at 250K miles.

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Post by selcuka »

doubled112 wrote: post #372
selcuka wrote: post #338

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Never mind, misread the comment. I somehow assumed that the driver safety has decreased because of the increasing number of vehicles on roads.

"I'd like to hurt people worse if I hit them with my car" is a strange and brutal take.

Absolutely right. Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I misread the comment.

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Post by carabiner »

bethekind wrote: post #340
carabiner wrote: post #299

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There are only 4 cars: Tundra, Tacoma, 4runner, prius. The rest are mere toys. Don't get a Tundra if you live in a big city though. Seriously just get a 4runner unless you regularly need to haul stuff.

Why not a Prius for a city?

Wasn't in his list.

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Post by tessierashpool »

bmitc wrote: post #333
mkii wrote: post #225

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Is it truly mysterious though? I find it interesting whenever HN has a strong fascination with all things related to "Japanese-ness". For example, there have been links to wikipedia pages of some Japanese term, and it will make front page with comments. I can't think of any other nation that has this kind of cultural representation on here. And yet, the myth of Japanese "uniqueness" is largely the product of Japanese…

There is a lot of propaganda about Japan's culture, but there is no mistaking that it is indeed different and quite unique, not always in good ways. It is quite common for island or peninsula countries to have strong, unique cultures, and Japan certainly sits at the exceptional end of that in terms of how strong the culture is. What specifically are you balking at?

not the person you're replying to, but seemed pretty obvious they were rejecting the idea that Japanese programmers are somehow unique in being good in some cases and bad in other cases
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