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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by r3trohack3r »

inlined wrote: post #229
r3trohack3r wrote: post #70

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Has Cloud Functions solved their logging issues yet? Last I checked, the lifetime of the function was bound to the lifetime of the request. So you have to fully flush your logs to their log ingress service before you respond to a request, otherwise GCP will suspend the function and eat your logs. Originally, this resulted in me having - to my surprise - very few logs coming from my functions. Once I discovered what w…

Are you using a log service directly, or stdout? Stdout has no such issue. On Run (and therefore functions 2nd gen) you get a SIGINT before the container is shut down. Open Telemetry is pretty easy to configure to flush on SIGINT in the background.

Appears this may have been solved in 2022: https://github.com/googleapis/nodejs-logging-bunyan/issues/3...

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by pclmulqdq »

rswail wrote: post #329
pclmulqdq wrote: post #281

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Ford, ironically, is an example of a company that has recently exited a huge business segment - they no longer make sedans. They now exclusively make SUVs and trucks. It is largely thought of as a pretty good move on their part. Google probably should spin off GCP rather than killing it, but it's not a terrible idea to divest from a failing arm of a business. Google (like Intel) just does it too early.

This is a US/NA focused comment. Ford makes sedans in EU and other markets. They also make sedans for the US market in China and other manufacturing locations. So it's true that Ford US manufacturing have exited sedan production, Ford itself continues to build and sell sedans.

The transition is more extreme than you are giving credit for. Ford is also exiting the sedan market in Europe:

https://www.autotrader.com/archive/european-shoppers-also-so...

Ford China also isn't really launching new sedan models under the Ford brand. However, Ford is still making sedans worldwide under the Mustang brand.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by welzel »

I don´t want to hate on the opinion of people, but "X is better then Y" is a pretty useless type of article.

I have used AWS, GCP and Azure + some more that offer AWS style of services. In the end the question is "what is best for my organisation?" It really really really does not matter if a developer finds GCP more easy to use or if AWS is way better at feature X.

The service has to fit the requirements.

And even worse, sometimes the requirements do not care for usability, cost or features.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Shorel »

I would be very afraid of automatic blocking of our entire infrastructure if some developer gets his Google account banned. No one (human) to provide support either, just automated responses.

Then the risk of some product being discontinued on Google is very real. The article just sidesteps it in the most unsatisfactory way, with a pinky promise that it won't happen.

So the technology itself is not bad, but Google's customer management is so terrible that I would never risk a company's life on it.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by shantnutiwari »

GCP has much better UI than AWS. GCP is easy and fun to use, while AWS looks like fighting 90s Windows 3.11 app

(No comments on the poor behaviour towrds customers by both and Azure as well)

Edit: And after fully reading the article, I agree with the author. Yes, GCP is very easy to use compared to the monster AWS is. Its Googles poor reputation, esp amongst the HN types, that I suspect is the reason not many people use it

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #243
mvdtnz wrote: post #223

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No one is saying Google has broken contracts or the law. What is it with you Google defenders and your constant goalpost shifting? We are saying, Google is not to be trusted with claims like "we are committed to this product" because they have been caught in that lie several times before. Why are you going on about contract law and "most people and companies"? What you're saying is irrelevant.

The point is: don't expect companies or people to act against their interests. They generally haven't, don't and won't. Google isn't unique here. The problem is so pervasive in society that humans created contracts and courts to force people/companies to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

There are always a myriad of potential actions that a company could potentially interpret as being in its best interest.

Company culture can help predict what interpretation a company will pick.

Google's culture is much more trigger-happy about interpreting killing off a service as being in the company's best interest than Amazon is.

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Post by Alupis »

mvdtnz wrote: post #224
Alupis wrote: post #117

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> I'm sorry what does any of this have to do with Google's lies Google is not a charity. If something is not working out financially, or the market has failed to grow at the pace Google initially thought, it is in their best interest to exit that market and re-allocate resources. You know... like any rational business. > This is frankly an idiotic summary Well then perhaps you can enlighten us on why the market has f…

> If something is not working out financially, or the market has failed to grow at the pace Google initially thought, it is in their best interest to exit that market and re-allocate resources. Correct, Google can't be trusted to commit to a product long-term. Even a product with paying customers. > Well then perhaps you can enlighten us on why the market has failed to materialize? Because like I said, it's a young m…

You don't seem to be capable of understanding basics about business and seem to feel entitled to services that aren't working...

It's no wonder you're so upset.

You still cannot explain where the market is, or why the existing services are being forced to raise prices and cut hours already... but hey, you want it therefore you're owed it, right?

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by next_xibalba »

dlubarov wrote: post #284
next_xibalba wrote: post #194

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> The group [Pichai, Page, and Porat] even talked about—and eventually dismissed—the idea of leaving the market entirely, this person said. [1] That they’ve actually discussed shutting it down in the recent past lends plausibility to this risk. In 2019, they set 2023 as a deadline for moving into the #2 spot ahead of Azure. Obviously, they’ve not gotten anywhere near that. [1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/…

That doesn't sound plausible; this "person with direct knowledge" must have somehow received bad information or not been honest. In 2019 GCP was generating $9b/yr revenue, making it second largest revenue source, and the fastest growing one.

Revenue != profit. GCP only started turning a profit this year (2023). In other words, it would have been perfectly reasonable to shut it down.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by catlover76 »

nathants wrote: post #280
catlover76 wrote: post #219

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I defer to your expertise, esp when it comes to actually using these different services at scale, but as someone who used to deploy only to Heroku and wanted to learn real cloud deployment, AWS was pretty unapproachable. I almost laughed out loud at how unnecessarily arcane and difficult they made things when all I wanted to do was set up a simple Python app on EC2. Google Cloud felt easier and intuitive to get start…

too much maybe? yelling at clouds just feels so good sometimes. apologies. i do actually wish we could have nice things. this is how aws became easy and fun for me[1]. a similar interface could exist for any provider. heroku is right about picking the good parts and exposing only that as an interface. 1. https://github.com/nathants/libaws

Cool, I'll check it out, thanks
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