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Re: DJI Mini 4 Pro

#371

Beware that DJI's software to control these craft is super sketchy to install and use. It doesn't exist in the Google Play Store, to avoid inspection.

But yet it exists on the Apple App store where I am sure Apple has inspected it. I guess the Android version could be a lot different, but why?

iOS does not allow sideloading. Android does. That would be enough difference. You can still enforce app permissions on apps outside the store on Android, like location and cameras etc only when using the app and so on.

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#373
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Where is the US or EU competitor to DJI? They are running away with it. Oh right, we instead pioneered regulation and legislation , all those deaths from drones falling down and drones hitting planes.

The US doesn’t have the engineering talent to pull off what DJI has.

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#374

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DJI is fully compliant with China's policy of civil-military fusion. Anyone flying anywhere sensitive should not use them. They're beaming back home whatever they want, and China is using both tech and data to give an asymmetric advantage to allies like Russia in the Ukraine war.

Both fronts use DJI drones[0][1], although DJI suspended its activities in both Russia and Ukraine as of April 26, 2022[2] and contractually forbids[3] any sales by dealers to either country and for combat use. However, other actors are entering the war business, like Parrot[4]. [0]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NtgseODXGSAomx6G5Efw... [1]: https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/16/ukraine-russia-war-dron... [2…

Not so long ago there was a post / comment here that said Ukraine's going through around 10K DJI drones per month

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#375

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I did. Thanks!

I don't know how DJI works, but presumably it ships the video out to a service that you then log in to to view? If so, it's on their servers and there's no "networking" you can do to know whether they forwarded it on from there.

What a strange assumption to make. No it doesn't work like this at all. The video is saved to the SD card in the aircraft, which you then remove and insert it into your computer to download the files.

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#376

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Both fortunately and unfortunately that's not how sound works. If the drones are far enough away from each other that you don't get interference between them soundwise it doesn't matter if there are more of them. But if they do then two quiet ones may re-inforce to the point that they sound much worse than a single larger one.

Are you saying that sound conduction doesn't behave linearly?

It depends on: the medium, the frequency, the shape of the soundwave, how it is generated (in this case: fast rotating props) the degree to which the frequencies line up (or not) which will result in beats, the phase in case that they do line up, reflections, the distance to the source(s) from the position of the receiver, the air pressure, the direction of the wind and a ton of other factors that result in more or less noise at the receiver.

To say it doesn't behave linearly would be too nice. It's not quite random, but systems quickly become so complex (2 drones: 8 rotors!) that modeling them is non-trivial. Look at the way a steady wind blowing on water can perturb it and how complex the resulting waves are. Sound is similar, you can start off with a 'clean' source (say, an electrostatic speaker) and then you place it in a room and suddenly there are all kinds of places in the room where the sound is louder or where it almost completely disappears. Then you add a second speaker, at a little distance to the first. Put them in parallel to make it simple. Now where you place your speakers relative to each other is almost as important as the distance between the two of them. If you place both speakers so far away that the sound of an individual speaker is below the noise floor of the receiver you can usually manipulate things such that the two signals crest right at the receiver. Alternatively, you can place them so close that either one of them individually is clearly above the noise floor but placing the second one strategically to cancel out the sound of the other (besides those pesky reflections) is a possibility as well.

Sound in free space is complex, and with multiple sound sources and a complex environment it quickly gets up to a level that is probably best described as 'chaotic'.

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#377
I had the original Mini and it drifted away to the sea. I launched it from my home which was already in a steep location. RIP I'll never buy a light drone again.

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#378
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Streaming 1080p/60fps up to 20km wirelessly is mind boggling to me. What kind of tech is used to make that happen? seems like it'd require a lot of power.

Keep in mind that this only applies to the FCC regulations. In Europe (CE regulations) the claimed range is 10 km. The mini 3 pro has a CE regulations claimed range of 8 km, but after 2.5 km I pretty much loose connection. If I turn the drone to face my direction, I might be able to fly it a bit further, but at this point it is so hard to control it, that there is no point. Btw, according to regulations, you can not…

I had the original mini with at most 800m range in CE regulations in the middle of nowhere. Pretty dissappointing. I lost it to the sea anyways.

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#379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DJI is fully compliant with China's policy of civil-military fusion. Anyone flying anywhere sensitive should not use them. They're beaming back home whatever they want, and China is using both tech and data to give an asymmetric advantage to allies like Russia in the Ukraine war.

Both fronts use DJI drones[0][1], although DJI suspended its activities in both Russia and Ukraine as of April 26, 2022[2] and contractually forbids[3] any sales by dealers to either country and for combat use. However, other actors are entering the war business, like Parrot[4]. [0]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NtgseODXGSAomx6G5Efw... [1]: https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/16/ukraine-russia-war-dron... [2…

They still use mostly DJI drones by burning an older firmware and using an anonymizer to hide takeoff and pilot's position from a potential aeroscope. DJI's are pretty cheap and really good at what they are doing.

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#380
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the history of China and its tech companies, the burden of proof shifted to their shoulders. So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that. Someone may not like it, but China now has a very, very bad reputation among people in the West. Especially after the last pandemic and how they handled it.

After Snowden, can you affirm that any US tech company is safe to use as a non us citizen? Or even one in some cases.

I'm not saying US tech companies are surveillance-free.

What I'm saying is China's reputation is way, waaaaay worse than the US' among people in the West, in general.

That's why they prefer American or European technologies and products.

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