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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by johnnyanmac » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 10:50 PM UTC

tekla wrote: post #190

throw0101a wrote: post #169

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It is not without debate: * https://digitalcommons.schulichlaw.dal.ca/djls/vol25/iss1/2/ And as my updated/edited comment mention, Canada is not unique in this regard: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn... Going back to Canada, some cases: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Cana... * https://en.wikipedia.o…

I'm sort of confused by these rulings. So people got convicted for possessing loli manga/similar stuff that has no relation to real life at all. I understand that it can be illegal at the State level, and that its a grey area at the federal level. What I don't get is the disconnect between these rulings and whatever is available on the clearnet. We're not talking onion sites. Reddit, Twitter, 4chan, pixv, tumblr, Pat…

>They all contain similar content and almost none of it is taken down for illegality, at most because someone thought it was too ick and Ad money, or posted in a non-r18 area.

Simple, the internet is huge and some currently contended US law means that (past illegal content) a web host isn't responsible for content users upload. Copyright means that corporations can DMCA certain content off, but otherwise, there's not much to do. Companies don't WANT to have to look through every single post on a site that big, so if they can automate or simply ignore it, they will.

The legality in Canada is questionable, but Canada isn't looking through Reddit with a fine tooth comb (P.S. it technically is against reddit TOS to upload lol manga stuff. But it's hard to enforce on small subreddits). Canada may not even know what Pixiv is, and Patreon is often behind paywalls. It would just take a good (well, bad) mainstream awareness to answer your question, and the answer would turn out to mostly be "because politicians didn't know until CNN/Fox News blasted it".

That much was obvious during the U.S. controversy on Rapelay, a Japanese 3d eroge simulator that was not even sold in the US (nor ever has been), simply mislabeled by Amazon and visible in American's store for a while.

>Genshin Impact and Blue Archive are not popular because they are good games.

well we're getting very off topic but this is still an odd angle. There's no one reason why these games are popular and talking about fan art vs. game quality is arguing a chicken vs. the egg. Let's just agree that fan engagement in this day and age can be a force multiplier in terms of advertising something and spreading the brand. But 10,000 x 0 is still zero. Just ask how F-Zero is doing.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by mikeyouse » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 10:51 PM UTC

lost_tourist wrote: post #65

mikeyouse wrote: post #25

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Your coffee shop could turn over MAC addresses if the police showed up with a warrant - especially all of the 3rd party managed solutions with logging.

What person doing illegal stuff doesn't randomize their MAC address?

There’s this silly HN conceit of these super sophisticated adversaries when the reality is most people don’t know the first thing about technology or network topology and wouldn’t know why they should obfuscate their MAC in the first place. It wouldn’t catch the 1% of sophisticated black hats but that describes a small fraction of actual people doing stuff online.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by worrycue » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 10:54 PM UTC

Longhanks wrote: post #131

CSMastermind wrote: post #84

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I've heard similar things about Romania and Bulgaria which are both EU countries.

Corruption is also common practice within the EU (see: Eva Kaili), most of the upper EU just hides it better while pointing fingers at "unaligned" states, inside and outside of the EU. If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts.

> If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts.

Haven’t found much on this. Frankly there is no need to allege corruption against this particular EU politician when there are better examples like those involved with the Qatar scandal.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by brutusborn » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:02 PM UTC

johnnyanmac wrote: post #342

sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

>We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas doesn't sound like the best idea depending on what industry we are talking about. medicine, yes. Art, no (we're kinda going through that right now actually). >In some sense cp is the ultimate test of anonymity, since you’ll be thrown in prison pretty much instantly if caught. So perhaps it’s no surprise that it’s the most com…

I’m fascinated by the Nazi question (what to do with them).

I think we should allow heterodox beliefs in public forums since at least this reduces the effect of echo chambers. The other alternative is to ban certain ideas from the mainstream, but I think this leads to groups like Nazis just moving to dedicated sites where their ideas are reinforced.

Like I’d rather see a Nazi subreddit where those ideas are likely to see more challenges, than some random Nazi site where bad ideas metasticize in the shadows. Maybe the spooks prefer it this way since different sites makes it easier to categorise people.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by DennisP » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:03 PM UTC

mikegreenberg wrote: post #59

mikegreenberg wrote: post #49

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Based on your wording, it sounds like you're conflating the two things together... running an exit node and using tor are orthogonal to one another both in value provided to the user as well as effort involved. Plausible reasons for: (a) you greatly value privacy and the privacy of others such that you are willing to altruistically provide an exit node as a service; your country is a police state and you are sympathe…

Also, I assume it wasn't intentional, but consider against arguing from the position of "I can't think of anything". You are betraying yourself by implying that you know all there is to know...which no one does.

Maybe if I'd said "I can't imagine X therefore Y must be true," but what I said was "I can't imagine X so I think Y" which doesn't imply I know everything at all. Quite the opposite imho. It implies I could change my opinion on Y if you showed me an example of X.

In any case, apparently that plus my use of the word "not" were ill-advised, since almost everyone here misread my comment to mean the opposite of what I actually meant. One person did read it as intended, and got another person to see it that way.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by worrycue » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:05 PM UTC

Sterm wrote: post #289

noAnswer wrote: post #204

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(I was a curious teenager and followed links I shouldn't have.) It had a ~1998 web feel. So you would mostly discover things by surfing around. Normal content would take ages to load or didn't load at all. (Bad distribution, because no-one had interest in it.) While the other stuff would load faster than AmpLand. (Very good distribution, because lots of demand.) Plus: There was a eDonkey like file sharing program tha…

There is no such thing as running a relay in freenet. Every user is the same as every other. The size and traffic of your node is literally a setting on the gui. All traffic and data are encrypted so you have no idea what's living on your node and what's coming in and out. That's the whole point of freenet.

I don’t think he is claiming he ran a relay and could see the traffic passing through it. Just that he had a good idea what moved about on the network from following random links as he explored it - popular stuff would load fast, non-popular would be slow. He found out what was popular.

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Post by tguvot » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:06 PM UTC

patrakov wrote: post #194

vel0city wrote: post #114

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Even then there were lots of apps out there which provided maps offline before Google maps was even an idea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Streets_%26_Trips https://winworldpc.com/product/softkey-key-master-maps/10 And then that's also completely ignoring the hundreds of portable GPS devices sold before Google Maps was a thing which had offline road databases. I can navigate anonymously without cell signa…

> I can navigate anonymously without cell signal easily. My car has a GPS in the dashboard which, at least for the maps and routing, doesn't go online at all. I agree that this is indeed possible. The problem is with the propaganda that says that you should not agree to such a low standard of only being able to see the map and route your trip based on road connectivity and nothing else. Modern route planning takes in…

> Modern route planning takes into account inherently real-time information such as accidents and other roadblocks, which is only available online.

in mid 2000s very offline igo could pull traffic information via RDS-TMC and adjust route according to it. navigation systems in modern cars can use traffic information from satellite via sirius-xm

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by jowea » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:08 PM UTC

brightlancer wrote: post #312

anthk wrote: post #177

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Even Lolita from Nabokov? Because that book depicted that as joking about the reader and on male society in general, as there was no actual erotism on anything but the narrator's "mind"/protagonist. Similar on how people got Starship Troopers wrong. Is not about cheering fascism, but to ridicule it.

In both the book and the film Starship Troopers: * persons can choose whether or not to do government service * Rico's parents are quite rich even though neither are citizens * the Moral Philosophy class tries to _discourage_ individuals from government service * the instructor for Moral Philosophy explicitly tries to get the students to think for themselves In the book but not the film: * the only benefit of governm…

Fascism is ill defined so people call the Terran Federation fascist due to being jingoistic and undemocratic, despite it being quite different from historical fascism as you say.

Also minor detail but in the book there's a few jobs that are reserved for veterans, like IIRC the police.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by ang_cire » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:16 PM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #358

jrflowers wrote: post #327

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I’m no expert here but I’m going to guess that equivocating gay people and pedophiles is not the best starting point to understanding pedophiles.

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> Do you agree that 'adult-adult-hetersexual' is the only orientation that has obvious evolutionary benefit?

This shows a profound misunderstanding of evolution and natural selection on your part. "Evolutionary benefit" is impossible to divorce from circumstances. It doesn't exist as some right/wrong answer, or something you can divine through logic.

For instance, same-sex attraction could absolutely be advantageous to a species that is nearing the peak of sustainable population numbers. All species (who can fuck) wanna fuck, and will do so no matter their surrounding circumstances. The difference between one species keeping sustainable numbers, versus another species seeing runaway population numbers causing food source exhaustion and population collapse, could come down to lower procreation rates, in which circumstance strict heterosexuality may not be advantageous.

Point being, stop trying to use bad, dime-store "science" to justify your bad opinions about homosexuality.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by johnnyanmac » Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 11:17 PM UTC

brightlancer wrote: post #272

singpolyma3 wrote: post #249

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Cuties controversy was only about some versions of the poster, and no one involved saw the movie. No one who watched the movie thought it was super controversial I think.

> Cuties controversy was only about some versions of the poster, False. The final performance by the young girls was also discussed. You can find it if you want to watch something disgusting, but it was very sexual and OBVIOUSLY inappropriate for children. That it's common to see children perform such sexual routines at dance competitions doesn't mean it's appropriate. The idea that this was Only The Poster was a lie…

>That it's common to see children perform such sexual routines at dance competitions doesn't mean it's appropriate.

"Sexual" is relative so people will just be talking past each other in regards to that. There's no real discussion to be had there.

>The idea that this was Only The Poster was a lie created by a media that thinks child exploitation is OK

FWIW, I only heard about the poster and nothing about the full release. I'm sure some people still argued in the same way people argue about anything for months/years on end, but there was definitely a lot more controversy about the poster. Be it because it was the first look/awareness of the film, or because the film was simply nothing to write about can be left to people who actually watched the movie. I have no interest to.

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